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posted May 25, 2009 09:15 AM
 Edited By: davej on 25 May 2009 17:16
Installed APE manual adjuster today
The chain rattle was because the ratchet rings had rounded off so the wire spring clip couldn't hold the plunger in place. The plunger moved in and out freely which is not a good thing. Spring pressure and oil were the only thing keeping the cam chain tension in check. Rotated the engine forward and moved the bolt in until all the slack was taken up then backed off a 1/4 turn so it was no longer touching chain mechanism. Started the engine and was quiet as new. Then while the engine was running backed off the bolt 1/2 turn and the rattle started coming back. Went the procedure again and tightened the jam nut. What a huge difference, no more rattle rattle and the motor sounds like new again. Should have done this 18,000 miles ago. What I used to do to get the chain quiet was shut the motor off and restart, that stopped working so something had to be done.
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posted May 25, 2009 11:45 AM
Just be careful. If you run it too tight it will burn up the chain guide, or snap and cause all kinds of damage. sounds like you did it right.
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posted May 25, 2009 04:37 PM
Edited By: davej on 26 May 2009 01:18
I've owned many bikes with manual adjusters and the procedure it the same. The CB450 Honda, the CB77, CB750. some twins required that you have one of the exhaust valves opening to slacken the back side. I had put Mobil synthetic 10-40 Racing 4-T in the motor and it MADE THE NOISE WORSE ! Now I know that it was the loss of friction on the plunger catch that made the ratchet slip more. That's a good thing to know. Going back to full motorcycle synthetic.
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posted May 26, 2009 03:15 AM
Great mod .... did mine along time ago !
No issues whats so ever.
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posted May 26, 2009 03:26 AM
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I've owned many bikes with manual adjusters and the procedure it the same. The CB450 Honda, the CB77, CB750. some twins required that you have one of the exhaust valves opening to slacken the back side. I had put Mobil synthetic 10-40 Racing 4-T in the motor and it MADE THE NOISE WORSE ! Now I know that it was the loss of friction on the plunger catch that made the ratchet slip more. That's a good thing to know. Going back to full motorcycle synthetic.
It's funny that you say the oil change made the rattle!! Because my rattle started at the FIRST oil change at 600kms. I put in Kawi Synthetic. All other oil changes are now Motul, and the rattle remains.
Ordering the APE tensioner today, I just don't have the time to install the Concours tensioner at the moment.
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posted May 26, 2009 04:27 AM
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I've owned many bikes with manual adjusters and the procedure it the same. The CB450 Honda, the CB77, CB750. some twins required that you have one of the exhaust valves opening to slacken the back side. I had put Mobil synthetic 10-40 Racing 4-T in the motor and it MADE THE NOISE WORSE ! Now I know that it was the loss of friction on the plunger catch that made the ratchet slip more. That's a good thing to know. Going back to full motorcycle synthetic.
It's funny that you say the oil change made the rattle!! Because my rattle started at the FIRST oil change at 600kms. I put in Kawi Synthetic. All other oil changes are now Motul, and the rattle remains.
Ordering the APE tensioner today, I just don't have the time to install the Concours tensioner at the moment.
Slicker oil makes the problem worse, tired oil or old oil lets the cheezy catch hold better.
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87gtNOS
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posted May 26, 2009 04:46 AM
davej, it will be interesting to compare the Concours and ZX14 adjusters side by side when I get mine out for the APE install.......
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posted May 26, 2009 03:22 PM
Took a close look at the tensioner today and it seems to be working as designed. It is supposed to extend without something to stop it. Very well could be that all the travel has been used up. It is allowed to move back and forth .190" before it sets to the next notch. When you install the APE check the distance adjusted, to the amount of travel allowed in the stock tensioner. If the bolt is at the full extension of the stock range limit then the tensioner has no more travel hence the rattle. If is in the service range then the .190" may have something to do with it. Have always hated auto tensioners.
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87gtNOS
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posted May 26, 2009 03:27 PM
Maybe I need to go out on the highway and rev the shit out of the bike in an attempt to get it to click to the next adjustment!!!!!
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posted May 26, 2009 03:39 PM
zx12 tensioner modified... got mine from Bill Eason...
BTW, the cam chains on the 14 suck ....
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posted May 26, 2009 08:54 PM
WHILE I WAS LOOKING UP THE PART NUMBER FOR MY STRETCHED CHAIN, I NOTICED THE TENSIONER HAS BEEN SUPERCEEDED... THERE IS AN UPGRADE FOR THE 06 AT LEAST, BUT UNLESS YOU TAKE OUT YOUR MOTOR, YOU DOUBTFULLY WILL GET ONE FOR FREE...
I GUESS IT STILL ISN'T REPLACED FOR NOTHING, SO AS THEY SAY NOTHING EVER IS REALLY FOR FREE
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posted May 27, 2009 06:41 PM
Mine is noisy @ 6900 miles. Where can I get an APE?
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posted May 27, 2009 09:37 PM
Need more info on the zx12 mod, or the updated zx14 tensioner.
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posted May 27, 2009 11:26 PM
I just ordered me an APE manual tensioner for my 14. Can't wait to get it installed and say goodbye to the rattling!
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posted May 28, 2009 03:38 AM
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Mine is noisy @ 6900 miles. Where can I get an APE?
http://zxzone.com/sprockets.html
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posted May 28, 2009 04:42 PM
$89 CDN.....I'll pick mine up next week.....
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posted May 28, 2009 05:03 PM
how hard is it to put them on?
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posted May 28, 2009 05:04 PM
Takes 10 mins I bet.
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posted May 28, 2009 06:02 PM
bump for more information.
how long to install
how often check tolerances
how hard to adjust
how easy to adjust (what tools it takes)
best place to buy?
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davej
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posted May 28, 2009 06:27 PM
4mm hex allen, 5mm allen , #2 phillips, 8 mm socket with 1" extension, If you have to ask consult your service dept. Crap they might not know as well. I hate to say this but Honda shops are very up on adjusting manuals.
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posted May 28, 2009 06:29 PM
I predict a rash of worn cam chains within a year. 
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posted May 28, 2009 06:41 PM
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I predict a rash of worn cam chains within a year.
LMFAO!!!
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posted May 29, 2009 04:11 PM
Edited By: 87gtNOS on 30 May 2009 00:12
FOR SALE.......I have a brand new (never installed) CONCOURS 14 tensioner.
I just can't be bothered with installing it...have to remove the valve cover, etc....
$60 US shipped.
Part Number: 12048-0047
gotnos51@hotmail.com
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posted May 30, 2009 05:14 AM
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FOR SALE.......I have a brand new (never installed) CONCOURS 14 tensioner.
I just can't be bothered with installing it...have to remove the valve cover, etc....
$60 US shipped.
Part Number: 12048-0047
How does it differ from the ZX-14 tensioner?
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posted May 30, 2009 06:49 AM
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FOR SALE.......I have a brand new (never installed) CONCOURS 14 tensioner.
I just can't be bothered with installing it...have to remove the valve cover, etc....
$60 US shipped.
Part Number: 12048-0047
How does it differ from the ZX-14 tensioner?
Cause I guess you have to take off the valve cover ...
Bob
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