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posted May 01, 2009 04:17 AM
Dynotune nitrous bottles
I Have the 20 ounce , single bottle dynotune nitrous system with a dry 40 shot into the ram air ducts .
Mine came without a syphon tube , are you guys having any trouble like this ?
How many runs are you getting out of each bottle ?, ( I will try activating it in third ,at 5000 RPM ) . What is the lowest pressure I should have in the bottle before attempting a nitrous run ?
I installed a hub with a second switchable nitrous map ,nitrous coming on in second
at 5000 . With stock wheelbase this was a disaster .
I am using NGK CR10EK plugs with a .02 / .025 gap .
I want to try activating in third and make sure it is workable before altering my map again .
How many runs can I do before I start doing damge , and what damage is likely ???
If it fouls the plugs , what is the best way to clean them ? O do I install new ones ?
Any one with this system , is the bottle valve very tight to turn fully open ???
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posted May 01, 2009 05:59 AM
I have the twin bottle system but im not much help being I havnt used mine yet., I did talk to smokin about the system and he was running a single bottle and i beleive he said he would get 2 passes. try getting ahold of him, he would be the one to talk too.
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posted May 01, 2009 06:06 AM
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Doug,
What size is the notrous jet?
For the 32 jet I used, I added 21% more fuel on top of the excellent tuned map I got with Brocks pipe.
I monitored the AFR and leaned it out from there
Start off Fat, and tune it down from there.
I kept my AFR between 11.2 and 11.8 BTW
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posted May 01, 2009 11:26 AM
Thanks guys , it is a #36 (40 HP ) jet . Is the bottle valve on this unit very tight ?
I just wondered about it not having a syphon tube as I have noticed that other systems with no syphon tube like this run the inverted bottle , any thoughts ?
By the way Dubious , if if you start up a religious cult based on mechanical knowledge ,
I will join even if it involves living in a desert compound !!! LOL
Do you think I would be safe doing a test / n / tune with the mapping as described above?
Just want to make sure I can handle it before I pay someone to set my map again .I know some of my questions prove my lak of basic knowledge , so please dont laugh !
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posted May 01, 2009 11:50 AM
Sorry, mine was 38 not 32 jet.
2 passes on 30 HP, might be good for 2 with 40HP.
+21 % fuel was where I ended up...
Its been 1&1/2 years since i ran the funny gas, so please bear with my memory.
I would start off applying an extra 25% more fuel in all cells you will be using the gas, ie anything above 7000 rpm, and more than 80% throttle position..
BTW do not activate it unless your throttle is wide open.
THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT...
check and verify the duty cycle of the injectors if it a 06-07 model, they had smaller injectors.
330 cc, I have been told the 08-09 are 400 cc injectors, and they will not be an issue.
If you exceed 80% duty cycle the injectors can lock open, then the the fuel will take path of least resistance. Usually #4 piston, then #1 starves and goes lean. The fuel rail is fed in the center and the outside cylinders starve and go lean.
I also wondered about the siphon bottle, in effect the gas in the bottle should push the liquid out, as it is slightly inverted.
If anything you will end up rich, and it will not hurt the motor.
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posted May 01, 2009 11:56 AM
BTW the bottles on those are turn in to open, out to close, opposite of standard bottles or the water taps in your house.
This had me screwed up at first tryin g to fill them...LOL
I found the orings could fall out or tear somewhat easily, and also the valve would turn out and fall out of the threads if you did not reapply silicone or loc tite to the threads every 3rd or 4th time refilling them.
There are definately better set ups to use, but this was the best way to mount nitrous to my bike at the time, as i could retain the passenger pegs..
I knew a girl that really liked the giggle juice... 
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posted May 01, 2009 12:14 PM
Thanks my mentor !
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posted May 01, 2009 12:43 PM
STOP THAT! LOL
There are many with more knowledge than I , I just share what I can.
The appreciation is nice though.
Thanks.
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posted May 01, 2009 12:58 PM
Douglas!
Stop blowing hot air up dubious's skirt!
His knowledge if nice though...
I have a map for the nos already set up.
I am running the nos off a hud the same as you.
I can upload the map to you via an email if you wish.
Catch you later.
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posted May 01, 2009 06:24 PM
Hi fury , thanks for the offer of the map , but I already have a custom one and just need to get the second gear nitrous map replaced with my second gear petrol map .
If Dubious does wear a skirt I can set him up with a guy at work !!!
While we are on the subject of maps , with the diferent fuels ( oz / USA ) can I use the setups you guys have ? Im not sure .
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posted May 01, 2009 07:40 PM
92 octane average of MON and RON....
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posted May 01, 2009 08:12 PM
I heard a rumour that USA oct scale is diferent from Australian ?
Meaning 92 oct USA isnt the same as 92 oct Aus.
anyone in the industry know the facts ?
If they are different can I use USA maps with Aus feuls?
Dubious , you seem more comfortable with my last personal coment
than my previopus praise / should I be concerned about this ???
Still keen to know how tight the Dynotune bottle valve is , if mine was any
tighter I would have to use pliers ! Overall I am very happy with their products
especialy the sexy black bottle guage /black / black / black soooo fast looking !
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posted May 01, 2009 09:29 PM
European fuels are superior to american fuels, you couldn't buy anything lower than 96 MON in germany. Their basis for emmissions reduction is complete combustion, utilizing higher compression ratios, rather than pumping excess air into the engine, .
Theirt catalytic converters don't have to work as hared to scrub ther cleaner fuel they burn.
The standards are much more stringent as far as refining and allowable limits of sulfer in the fuel.
If Australia follows the European standards I would say its safe!
You need to find out how they measure octanes, and what the number at the pump is based on RON or MON.
Its a long strung out affair, and I might be mistaken , the best thing is to research RON and MON octane to gain an understanding. Google it bro...
I do know Kawi wants you to use 92 MON octane fuel...the stickers I removed when it was 1 day old said so...
As far as the valve, mine was not difficutl to turn, but the filling valve was bitch! LOL
Make sure you are turning it as a left hand thread, clockwise is open, ccw is closing...
as far as my sexuality, I am quite confident.
In case your curious, i have never worn a skirt, but have had a few panties on my face...LOL
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posted May 01, 2009 10:17 PM
Thanks for the info , I will research it and post it up .
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posted May 01, 2009 11:45 PM
With the help of google :
Australia and Europe the oct rating on the pump is RON (Research Octane Rating )
USA / Canada the oct rating on the pump is Road Octane Number ( Rd O N ) or
Anti Knock Index ( AKI ) this is half of RON +MON ( Motor Octane Number )
This means that USA/Canada pump oct rating is lower than Australia for identical fuel !!!
This as far as my brain takes me / does this mean that I cant use USA maps ,like the ones put out by Brocks etc. for example ???
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posted May 02, 2009 03:14 AM
ooooooo.
You can use lower grade fuel than us. ( Save a few bucks )
Make sure you verify the octane.
You will make alot more hp with low octane with a high risk of loosing your motor.
So use the maps.
Lower your octane.
Get a wegoIII to monitor your fuel.
dubious has 1.
Ride and tweak.
Goto the dyno to set up the NOS.
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posted May 02, 2009 07:56 AM
Edited By: dubious on 2 May 2009 15:59
When riding the bike on motor I have run regular, 89 octane the majority of the time, but on nitrous, i would use the best (highest octane) fuel available .
THIS IS IMPORTANT:
You will make SLIGHTLY more power with lower octane at the cost of possible detonation,
detonating on motor is not good for it, but you will have time to correct your riding style until you fill it up with the good stuff,
if it detonates on Nitrous , it WILL burn the pistons quickly detonatiing
On Nitrous, likely by the time you hear it detonating on nitrous, its too late
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