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posted March 26, 2009 08:06 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 26 Mar 2009 16:16
Drag Chains: O-ring vs. Non?
On my 99% race-only bike I am running a DRZ2 non o-ring chain. I was wondering if anyone here has actually seen ET or mph improvements by changing chains from o-ring to non?
I have heard that the non o-ring will show more dyno hp. I have also heard that once the chain gets hot there is no difference.
I'm only asking because my chain is heavy as hell. I sometimes wonder if the weight of the chain is costing more on the top end, at the track, than the o-rings would.
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posted March 26, 2009 08:13 AM
I changed from a zzz XRing to a DZR2 and didn't see a change at all ..
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posted March 26, 2009 08:17 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 26 Mar 2009 16:17
Probably the biggest change is maintenance, I would imagine. It is fairly maintenance intensive to keep the non o-ring lubed and clean. Especially at Maxton where it is sandy.
Thanks for the feedback, Lee.
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posted March 26, 2009 08:19 AM
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Probably the biggest change is maintenance, I would imagine. It is fairly maintenance intensive to keep the non o-ring lubed and clean. Especially at Maxton where it is sandy.
Thanks for the feedback, Lee.
Shane
Your welcome ... I hate the DZR chain ....I'm going to go back to the ZZZ chain ..Screw all the cleaning and maintenance..
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posted March 26, 2009 08:43 AM
isnt the DRZ2 a heavier chain?
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posted March 26, 2009 08:46 AM
The biggest problem with O-ring chains is stress. The pins are slightly longer, and thiner, to accomodate the O-ring, and this causes problems when horsepower increases. At around 300hp you will start bending the pins in the master link. At 400hp, forget it.
Also, O-ring chains tend to be heavier. Some say that because they are O-ring, this will reduce the rolling friction. Yea, great, but I spit off a few master links with my super duper Titanium series O-ring chain.
If your just going to ride on the street, and occasionally drag race, stay with the O-ring. If you mostly drag race, and your hp is around 300hp, or more, forget it. Get the EZK drag chain and be happy.
As far as weight Vs. ET, I've not seen any difference whatsoever between O-ring, and non-O-ring.
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posted March 26, 2009 08:46 AM
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isnt the DRZ2 a heavier chain?
wee
The DRZ2 is a very heavy chain...at 140 links maybe close to a pound heavier than ZZZ, I think.
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posted March 26, 2009 09:16 AM
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The biggest problem with O-ring chains is stress. The pins are slightly longer, and thiner, to accomodate the O-ring, and this causes problems when horsepower increases. At around 300hp you will start bending the pins in the master link. At 400hp, forget it.
Also, O-ring chains tend to be heavier. Some say that because they are O-ring, this will reduce the rolling friction. Yea, great, but I spit off a few master links with my super duper Titanium series O-ring chain.
If your just going to ride on the street, and occasionally drag race, stay with the O-ring. If you mostly drag race, and your hp is around 300hp, or more, forget it. Get the EZK drag chain and be happy.
As far as weight Vs. ET, I've not seen any difference whatsoever between O-ring, and non-O-ring.
Paul,
was the c clip facing the right way?
was the chain failing due to the master link collapsing?
I need to modify my adams oil pan for the turbo oil lines, got any old pics?
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posted March 26, 2009 09:39 AM
Yes, the C-clip was facing the right way. The "studs" on the master were just too long, and were bending outwards, causing the clip and backing plate to pop off.
I do have some old pictures, but I doubt if they'll be of any help. You might check with Harry at ATP. He did all the mods too mine when I got the Adam's pan.
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posted March 26, 2009 07:17 PM
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Probably the biggest change is maintenance, I would imagine. It is fairly maintenance intensive to keep the non o-ring lubed and clean. Especially at Maxton where it is sandy.
Thanks for the feedback, Lee.
Shane
Shane,
I had problems with both the Oring and XRing at Maxton and therefore changed to the heavy duty non ORing. I have had no problems since. On both the ORing and the XRing after the Maxton events they started to bind - making for tight in some spots and real loose in other spots as you spun the wheel. Created a real problem when I shut off at the end of the track - pulling the bike to one side. I spoke with the tech support from manufacturer (Same brand as you) and they told me to dump the chain and recommended the switch - especially with Bonneville - since it is 5 miles at WOT. I did scrap that chain right after the event as a result of the salt damage. I am not sure how it compares back to back with xring - but I use DuPont Teflon spray prior to each run - that usually gives a MPH or so and also I run it fairly loose to keep things moving easily - also have ceramic bearings for less resistance and Gailspeed wheels to loose a few pounds of rotating mass - seems to collectively make a differance.
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posted March 26, 2009 07:20 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 27 Mar 2009 03:20
Thanks for the info, Kevin. I am trying to learn as much as I can.
I have not heard of the Dupont Teflon spray...
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posted March 26, 2009 07:21 PM
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Yes, the C-clip was facing the right way. The "studs" on the master were just too long, and were bending outwards, causing the clip and backing plate to pop off.
I do have some old pictures, but I doubt if they'll be of any help. You might check with Harry at ATP. He did all the mods too mine when I got the Adam's pan.
I also had the clip fall off at Maxton on the ORing chain. I told my mechanic to do whatever it takes to make sure it did not come off again even if he had to weld it on..... BTW he is a professional welder - and despite the fact that I was joking with my comment - when I got the bike back - the master link was welded on....... never came off after that 
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posted March 26, 2009 07:22 PM
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Thanks for the info, Kevin. I am trying to learn as much as I can.
I have not heard of the Dupont Teflon spray...
Shane
You can get it at Lowes - it works great.
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posted March 26, 2009 07:24 PM
I have found some Honda chain lube that I really like...but I will look into the Teflon.
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posted March 27, 2009 03:13 AM
I'm surprised you guys even try the clip link. I always order my chains with the rivet link never have trouble with those. I would not run a clip link on a moped.
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posted March 27, 2009 11:15 AM
I work on my bike waaay to much to have a rivet link. I carry 4 or 5 spare master links just in case I need one or somebody at the track needs one....never had too use them.
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posted March 27, 2009 12:16 PM
My bikes all have clips , never a problem ...A little RTV and the clip will never jump off .. If it's works for top fuel bikes it works for me ..
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posted March 27, 2009 07:05 PM
zzz chain and chain wax no problems here.
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posted March 27, 2009 07:28 PM
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My bikes all have clips , never a problem ...A little RTV and the clip will never jump off .. If it's works for top fuel bikes it works for me ..
Buddy lost chain last year had clip link with RTV. lucky it just flew off and did not get wraped up in the wheel. I will stick with rivet links. they are chaep and easy if you have the tool. See street bikes come in the shop all the time that clip link came off. I just don't feel safe with one.
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posted March 27, 2009 07:46 PM
Riveted ZZZ and chainwax.
i was on a busa once when the clip came off, somehow i didnt go down. chain wrapped around the arm and warped it bad.
i always thought you would gain a little from the non o-ring drz2, even happier i stuck with my street chain.
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