cnote
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posted March 10, 2009 08:03 AM
 Edited By: cnote on 10 Mar 2009 19:23
Help
Don't know if my clutch is near the end or may be I have transmission problems. I was out riding with some friends over the weekend and have notice when shifting gears the bike would not shift in the higher rpm's. It would stay stuck in second, third or fourth gear and not go into the next gear, unless I let off the gas and wait a split second and then try to shift again into the next gear. Whats going?
  
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zx-twitch
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posted March 10, 2009 01:23 PM
step one bleed the clutch and see if it helps.. always start with the easy steps. now if you do a lot of drag racing or just ride the clutch for some reason maybe it is a clutch issue.
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bigdtd
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posted March 10, 2009 02:44 PM
sounds like its not disengaging. if it was worn it would be slipping i think. how many miles or trips down the track?
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Wheelie
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posted March 10, 2009 03:08 PM
if you are trying to shift without the clutch it wont shift
wee
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cnote
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posted March 10, 2009 05:15 PM
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sounds like its not disengaging. if it was worn it would be slipping i think. how many miles or trips down the track?
Trips down the track quite a few...
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Ninja14
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posted March 10, 2009 05:19 PM
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if you are trying to shift without the clutch it wont shift
wee
I shift up and down w/o pulling the lever all the time..........but then again....not near redline :-/
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Wheelie
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posted March 10, 2009 05:38 PM
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if you are trying to shift without the clutch it wont shift
wee
I shift up and down w/o pulling the lever all the time..........but then again....not near redline :-/
do you shift it without letting off the throttle and not pulling in the clutch while accelerating?
wee
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gilberjj
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posted March 10, 2009 06:29 PM
I shift without the clutch all the time. All you have to do is unload the transmission. Whenever I'm wot I never use the clutch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8di7lnZTuM&feature=channel_page
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xtro
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posted March 10, 2009 06:39 PM
I only use the clutch for 1st gear ... ONLY !!!!
I drag race .. road race .. and generally drive the machine 24/7 up AND down and there is NEVER a need for a clutch ...
the odd time .. and I mean odd time .. once every few weeks at best .. I miss a shift .. but so do you .. so that is not an issue. . I just ram it in and gun it harder .. love the wheelies and makes me feel good.. specially on the strip.. ride it out is the best fix !!
so .. to all those who DON't do this .. no need to hear from ya .. cause the book says it .. doens't make it right .
I do however blip the throttle as it NEEDS to have the pressure modulated to shift .. either the clutch lever for you regular guys .. or the blip for those who truly understand the mechanics of the pressure plates. ( key word pressure ).
as for redline ? yah .. when I'm there .. no clutch .. but first is the most delivcate .. and it gets more forgiving as you go up .. but racing is the best time for clutchless shifts ..
and this goes for cars ( M5, SHO, Celica's no lughing, I was young ) as well. again .. it's the understanding that allows you to know that there is NO harm in this practice .. I also have no clue how to do clutch wheelies and am told they are easy .. but my head and wrist just can't get it .. so I don't do it .. one day I always say .. or .. on your bike .. lol
we all have our giggles on these machines ..
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gilberjj
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posted March 10, 2009 06:48 PM
you make my head spin, and I feel as if I lost intelligence after reading your post xtro. But I agree, you don't need to use the clutch if you do it right.
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Bad in Black
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posted March 10, 2009 08:59 PM
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you make my head spin, and I feel as if I lost intelligence after reading your post xtro. But I agree, you don't need to use the clutch if you do it right.
You don't need the clutch if you do it wrong either...........you just won't get alot of life out of your tranny. The diff between guys who think they clutchless shift right, and the guys that do, is the guys that do it right will have a tranny last as long as a good clutch shifter....which is the life of the bike. The guys who claim they do it right, but only keep the bike for a few thousand miles/year or so, then sell it and the next owner has the tranny take a shit within a few thousand more are NOT doing it right  Even using a clutch to shift takes a litte skill and practice to be smooth and easy on the tranny I know a guy who clutchless shifts most of the time, and takes his bikes to 100k miles with no probs. But he's the minority  I knew a guy that claimed he was a clutchless shifting pro..........for some strange reason he lost 2nd gear on his new ZX-6R within 5000 miles  He blamed the crappy kawi tranny 
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gilberjj
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posted March 10, 2009 09:16 PM
I didn't do it because I didn't understand how it could not be bad on the transmission. However, after talking to people about it and understanding how to do it, I experimented with it a little. It really helps at the race track. Using the clutch can cause wheelying, especially during the 1-2 shift. Plus you don't wear out clutches if you're not using it.
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