NINJA12
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posted February 25, 2009 09:50 AM
No downside except unecessary wear on your hands.
lockup and heavy springs do the same job, add pressure to the clutch pack.
You can adjust the weights on the lockup to add more pressure than you ever could with springs, and still maintain a stock or less than stock lever feel.
If you ride in traffic this is a very big bonus.
Personally I never felt I could control the heavy springs with the precision on the stockers,
but they were better than burning clutches and loss MPH.
If you get into tuning the clutch, that's another can of worms.
  
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BLK ICE
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posted February 25, 2009 10:00 AM
Thanks NINJA12.
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posted February 25, 2009 10:35 AM
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Off topic, but saw where you wanted to regear to 18/49. Why go up in the front then go up in the rear as well? I'm sure I'm missing something there, just was curious
I have discovered that my bike SEEMS to (seat of the pants dyno) accellerate/run out at a different rate even though the gear ratio is same..... I haven't figured out why it is that way.
the 16/43 pull hard down low and requires very little rpm to launch (relatively speaking)
the 18/48 is the same, but better, if that makes any sense.
16/43 = .3720 ratio
18/48 = .3750 ratio
I can't explain it, but it runs out better overall. Only thing I can guess is the small sprocket is eating up power somehow.... Anybody know why this is??
I will post time slips once our track opens up and I can see before and after times and mph.....
......and we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.........
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BLK ICE
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posted March 03, 2009 03:56 PM
Two of the five locking arms on my CL lock-up clutch are stiff, do you think this will effect the preformance of the CL lock-up?
Would you use it or send it back?
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kawasakijockey
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posted March 03, 2009 04:12 PM
They should all be loose, call Dave at CL.
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BLK ICE
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posted March 03, 2009 04:24 PM
Thanks kawasakijockey
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BLK ICE
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posted March 03, 2009 05:38 PM
Called Dave, He said he was putting a new one in the mail for me as we spoke.
Stand-up guy.
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Shane661
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posted March 03, 2009 05:41 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 4 Mar 2009 01:43
This is in my build thread, but I figured I'd post it here for anyone looking to go with a lock up:
My Cycle Logic lock-up clutch came today. They are on sale right now, less than $300 including shipping.
Here is what you get:
Lock up assembly, spacer plate, new bolts and the required gaskets. The whole works, basically.
A quick measurement on the scale tells me that with the heavier bolts included, my total weight gain over stock will be about 1 lb.:
Not too bad. If I were to run my quick access cover, that would add another 2.5 lbs. I don't plan on doing that right now. I am not going to be "tuning" this setup. I just want it to hold extra power at high rpm, without super-stiff clutch springs.
Here are a couple more pics:
I've seen it mentioned that someone purchased one of these units and some of the lock up arms were stiff. I found that a couple were a little snug (when at rest in the center) on mine. However, I spun the assembly and they all move freely. I'll go over all of the arms and check the assembly for any machining slag before I install it. I'll also lube up the arms.
Overall this unit looks to be quite the bargain, depending on your needs.
Shane
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Ozonkiller
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posted March 03, 2009 06:02 PM
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Off topic, but saw where you wanted to regear to 18/49. Why go up in the front then go up in the rear as well? I'm sure I'm missing something there, just was curious
I have discovered that my bike SEEMS to (seat of the pants dyno) accellerate/run out at a different rate even though the gear ratio is same..... I haven't figured out why it is that way.
the 16/43 pull hard down low and requires very little rpm to launch (relatively speaking)
the 18/48 is the same, but better, if that makes any sense.
16/43 = .3720 ratio
18/48 = .3750 ratio
I can't explain it, but it runs out better overall. Only thing I can guess is the small sprocket is eating up power somehow.... Anybody know why this is??
I will post time slips once our track opens up and I can see before and after times and mph.....
......and we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.........
Bigger diameter sprockets use less horsepower
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posted March 03, 2009 06:07 PM
If you want to get sneaky, paint the spacer black (or order the optional black anodized one) and THEN order enough of the rear case bolts (40 mm I think) to replace the allens. The new bolts look exactly like the stock clutch cover bolts and with the spacer being black, the whole mod disappears.
MMMMMMM Sneaky
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posted March 03, 2009 06:08 PM
Darn, My inside voice got out again.
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BLK ICE
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posted March 03, 2009 06:09 PM
Two arms were stiff on mine. They should move freely. It looked as if some of the lock tite had over flowed from the two screws holding the arm inplace. I lubed the arm but it didn't help.
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kawasakijockey
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posted March 03, 2009 06:13 PM
That is good to know that Dave will take care of you.
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BLK ICE
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posted March 03, 2009 06:15 PM
+1 Dave is a stand up guy.
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BLK ICE
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posted March 09, 2009 01:02 AM
Installed Cl lockup two riding days ago.
Works great!
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NINJA12
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posted March 09, 2009 12:56 PM
Yes Dave is great to work with after the sale.
I'm not suprised he took care of you, but I'll bet the first ride would have fixed the tight spot.
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posted March 09, 2009 05:17 PM
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Best deal I've seen is to get it from Cycle Logics on their ebay store..
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kaw-ZX-14-zx14-zx-14r-zx-14-r-Lock-up-clutch-loc-up-kit_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ150290989940QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories
Gotta love this part ...
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i always get a kick out fo resellers who sell stuff for the ZX-14R ! lol
Maybe I should register the domain www.ZX14R.com before it becomes a reality?
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posted March 09, 2009 06:56 PM
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quote:
Off topic, but saw where you wanted to regear to 18/49. Why go up in the front then go up in the rear as well? I'm sure I'm missing something there, just was curious
I have discovered that my bike SEEMS to (seat of the pants dyno) accellerate/run out at a different rate even though the gear ratio is same..... I haven't figured out why it is that way.
the 16/43 pull hard down low and requires very little rpm to launch (relatively speaking)
the 18/48 is the same, but better, if that makes any sense.
16/43 = .3720 ratio
18/48 = .3750 ratio
I can't explain it, but it runs out better overall. Only thing I can guess is the small sprocket is eating up power somehow.... Anybody know why this is??
I will post time slips once our track opens up and I can see before and after times and mph.....
......and we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.........
The larger the radius for the chain to turn around, the less friction and drag created...
you are completely correct with your summation.
This is especially a big deal for top speed events, where a heavier chain to accellerate is less important, but less friction at top speed is critical.
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posted March 10, 2009 04:03 AM
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+1 Dave is a stand up guy.
Yes he is......the best guy I've EVER dealt with  He'll go above and beyond to make sure you're happy in every way.......and his words as good as gold  
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Silver08
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posted March 11, 2009 05:55 PM
can you still shift at redline blipping the clutch. (cant describe how i footshift, but i still use the clutch a slight bit.
I use airshifter at the track, but I wondered if i could still footshift it if i had too with the CL lockup?
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Silver08
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posted March 11, 2009 05:57 PM
also, I use Brock springs and spacers currently, should i go back to stock springs/no spacers with the CL lockup? I know i would at least take out the spacers, but not sure about using the brock springs or stock springs
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ninjaboy311
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posted March 11, 2009 06:24 PM
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can you still shift at redline blipping the clutch. (cant describe how i footshift, but i still use the clutch a slight bit.
I use airshifter at the track, but I wondered if i could still footshift it if i had too with the CL lockup?
Cannot blip the clutch with the lock-up. Do not try to pull in the clutch lever until your RPM's have come down enough for the arms to release.
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kawasakijockey
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posted March 11, 2009 06:31 PM
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also, I use Brock springs and spacers currently, should i go back to stock springs/no spacers with the CL lockup? I know i would at least take out the spacers, but not sure about using the brock springs or stock springs
That would be a preference of your clutch hand. Whatever gives you the best 60ft is what you should have in it with the lock-up.
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9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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Silver08
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posted March 11, 2009 06:40 PM
thanks for the replies.
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BobC
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posted March 12, 2009 07:40 AM
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Cannot blip the clutch with the lock-up. Do not try to pull in the clutch lever until your RPM's have come down enough for the arms to release.
I hope this isn't a silly question but if the above is true does that mean you can't grab the clutch at high rpm in the case of engine or transmission failure, or even downshift at the end of a run?
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