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posted February 15, 2009 02:15 AM
Hey JC hows the turbo running so far? We need an update lol And Dub finish yours up ;)
Hey JC just wanting an update on how your turbo 14's running  So many turbo's in the works and so few running lol. I got the electric boost/fuel pressure Prosport gauges for mine today..they look very nice, and have peak recall and warning features. And the LM-1's in the mail, should be here tuesday. I got it for $230.99 brand new through a site I found. It was $237 shipped If they pan out as being reliable, and everything works out, I'll post up the info  I just don't want to to lead you guys down a bad path. They don't answer e-mails....and didn't have a phone number on the site. But they finally responded to my final e-mail....and called me to let me know the LM was on the way, so we might be in business after all After I get the busa finished up the 14's getting the turbo put on pronto. I'm also gonna try and help a friend install a blow through set-up on his gixxer 1100.....should be fun This should be a fast summer 
I highly suspect Lyles machine is going to be downright evil tho  
  
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posted February 15, 2009 07:14 AM
What is Prosports phone number?
I like the idea of having a sending unit rather than the mechanical guages... especially the fule pressure guage in my face....
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posted February 15, 2009 07:21 AM
Shooting for 300HP + for street,
500+ HP for the track by summer... going to bring it up slow and safe.
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posted February 15, 2009 01:55 PM
 Edited By: Bad in Black on 15 Feb 2009 21:56
Hey Lyle here's the website and phone number http://prosportgauges.com/premium_series_peak_warning_gauges.aspx those are the gauges I bought......I got the green/white lighted ones. $199.99 total shipped to my door for boost and fuel pressure, and they come complete with everything including the sending units. The 52mm's are a good size for a bike, easily read without taking up too much room. They look very nice and have a stepper motor design so they have a super smooth movement. They have a video on the site of the gauges in action :thumbsup
They also seem to have alot of good feedback on the web
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posted February 15, 2009 03:17 PM
Thanks,
I visited their site, but if email is slow I was hoping you could provide their number.
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posted February 15, 2009 05:40 PM
I'm sorry I wasn't clear in my original post....the Prosports guys have AWESOME service.......they had to send my gauges from florida to cali, and I got them in 3-4 days by priority mail. They processed and sent the order out almost immediately. They are SUPER fast shippers with tracking info and instant e-mails :thumbsup
I ordered my LM-1 from a totally diff site....they're the ones with no number on the site and non-existant e-mail support. Prosport is GREAT!!!!!
Prosports number is on the upper right of their website
Once I get the LM-1 from the other site and verify its as advertised I'll share their info. As of right now they're an unknown quantity that I took a chance on :o
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posted February 15, 2009 05:55 PM
Edited By: JDC on 16 Feb 2009 02:14
Ok... I had the new info up at the other site... at least I think. Here's a synopsis:
This bike really flies after the boost hits. Make sure you have a bunch of...enough empty road in front of you if you hit the throttle... no matter the gear, you will come up on any traffic ahead in a blink or two of the eye, and you will be flying. It gets up to speed unlike the ol' 14! Very nice and a little un-nerving at first.
Ran perfectly after some tuning with the Bazzaz for 4K up at 12.5 or so, and below 4K at 13.5. Initially I really made the mix rich, like 3 X' s the fuel, and the Bazzaz unit pulled almost all of it back out when it did it's thing. While I had it highly rich, it ran terribly, rough, missing, hesitation on acceleration.. as one would expect... but not lean :O
My setup is flies in. I have not noticed any difference pre or post turbo having the flies in. I really like the flies in... very smooth lower RPM's.. and by the time the boost gets going mid way, 5K or so to 6K, they are largely or wholly open. Very nice.
After running about with the dump pipe, and being politely stopped by a local friend cop, with a verbal 'better change it'..... I phoned Harry and he put on an Area 9, 2 1/4" exhaust. Was going to be 2 ½'', don't know what happened. Harry had lost his pipe jig, so he did up a new gig in the process.
I like a quiet bike, so the muffler is better music to my ears than the dump pipe. Because of the unusual twist that the exhaust pipe needs to make, almost a 180 right away out off the exhaust header, to get back to the right side of the bike, it required re-routing the oil return line from the turbo to the oil pan.
On the drive home the bike looked like it was a fog machine in the movies, it was burning so much oil through the exhaust side of the turbo. It was really terrible. After getting home, a brief talk to Harry, I checked the inlet pipe to uptake hose union in the oil pan - that was good and had 'suction', and removing the oil return hose, blowing through the check valve, and then bringing up the hose tight against the exhaust pipe - first insulating it, however... the burning oil issue was almost solved, except for steep, long down hills or sudden stops. Prior to this small change there had been a 1/1/2" to 2" valley between the turbo and oil pan, that was below the floor of the oil pan that much. So the oil would apparently sit in there, back up into the turbo, and have a hard time getting pulled into the oil pan. Raising it, it is now about ½" to 3/4 inch below the oil pan,and the hose is just a little compressed where it has been pulled up to the bottom of the exhaust pipe. I set the RPM top 1500. I still get oil burning under the conditions I described. With tue dujmp pipe, the angel to the oil pan seemed perfect, no oil buring at all... and idle RPM set to 1100... Harry suggests 1500 due to the turbo pump being a little weak. I have experimented about with the RPM idle setting, and I get no difference 1100 or 1500 with the current burning situation. It just does not like the 'line' the oil hose now has to take back from the turbo to the oil pan since the exhaust pipe was installed.
So I have a scavenge pump I am about to install, once I get the AN *8 fittings I need and fab up a bracket. There is a spot in the left front, about 4-5 inches from the turbo, and level, or below outlet if I like, that seems perfect. I have to figure if the pump will be liked by the bikes ele system as it pulls 2-5 amps, depending.
I will also have to wrap the exhaust pipe as it took many pieces to make it because of the very tight turning, so it has many weld joints. I don't know if future exhaust pipes from Harry's jig would be mandrel bent from one piece - preferred - or made up of all the pieces like mine. I'd prefer a mandrel bent pipe. Much cleaner.
I have also received some digital gauges, fuel PSI, oil PSI and boost. Very nice, and easy to set up. My initial hope to heat and extend the windshield partially worked, only in that the plastic will re=-shape if heated, but it does not seem to have the elasticity to stretch out the distance I wanted/needed, so I will improvise from a Pugh double bubble and OEM shield, or two PUGH's combined, I hope... I want the gauges right above the dash. With my eyes, I could not see the gauges that came with the kit.... no matter where mounted, though I could get the 'approximation'. With these digital gauges it is very easy to read what’s going on in a blink. Having them mounted above the dash will make for a very short distance to find them.
Here's the gauge page:
http://www.glowshiftdirect.com/blue-digital-gauges.aspx
I hope to have the new windshield done, pump and AN 8 fittings to install the pump this week.. haven't located any close by yet, though there are on internet. And hopefully start on the gauge console once the windshield is formed up and on for measurements.
I also fab'd up a new rough K-N air filter, shorty that I like, as it extends only a little beyond the body of the bike. It is about 3" shorter than the one that came with the kit and flows close to the same as the OEM kit filter. When I am done with it, it will flow more than the OEM filter, and maintain the lower profile as well.
I will take some pics once it is all done.
I also thinking about running synthetic oil as soon as the oil pump is on and working as I hope.
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posted February 16, 2009 05:29 PM
Awesome JC, thanks for the feedback. It sounds like overall Harry's system is rockin' your bike.....congrats My system came with a scavenge pump.......I think the only system I saw that didn't was Harry's. It sounds like the pump will fix you up nicely. I was also leery of a dump for sound reasons and went with a full exhaust..........it sounds like I did the right thing  How are you mounting you're gauges on the bike? Thats my only real issue left as far as installing stuff.....
I'm going to fine tune my map (if any's needed) with an LM-1
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posted February 16, 2009 06:29 PM
After I raise the windshield, the part over the dash, about another 1 1/2", to make space for the three guages, I plan on making a built in 'console' for them and tucking them right above the dash. It I can work it out.
I had planned on the oil scavange pump going in a particular place, made a bracket up today and did an initial mount... perfect. Well almost. Everything was a great fit, except the tire clearance was too close for my comfort, even though on full shock compression all was well, I decided to relocate it. I have the next site selected, and will weld the mounting plate I made for the pump, to the spot, tomorrow hook it up to a relay, afix the oil lines and test out the system. If it works as I hope and was told, I will then be off to work on raising the windshield center portion and install the guages.
After that it should be about done.
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posted February 17, 2009 07:06 AM
Edited By: dubious on 17 Feb 2009 15:08
If it helps any at all, I gained approx 1" clearance above the guages when I had the puig dbl bubble on the bike. I had room to install the shift light up there then.
The bracket above the shift light is for the bel radar detector.
You can also see the dynotune afr guage below the dash.
I had hung the speedo healer off the side of the headlight / frt fairing bracket
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posted February 17, 2009 08:14 AM
Yes!. I also have a Pugh DB. Hope to raise that the little extra distance I need. fingers crossed X
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posted February 17, 2009 04:27 PM
Edited By: JDC on 18 Feb 2009 00:30
I decided that since the location of the scavange pump is exactly in front of the exhaust manifold and the turbo exhaust housing is on its right shoulder, maybe 1/8-1/4 inch in front of the exhaust manifoldand 1/8-1/4 inch to the side of the turbo exhaust housing, that I will need some high efficiency insulation first. So that stuff is all on order and maybe a week out. Going to also wrap the exhaust pipe to pretty it up some. So that install is on hold.
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posted February 18, 2009 07:02 PM
Edited By: JDC on 19 Feb 2009 03:04
So here are a few pics of the scavange pump mounted rough. Oil lines to do in the am and a test of the system and then a ride. The mounting bracket connects to the cold/intake side of a few turbo bolts, crosses in front of the exhaust side, and the pump sits in front of the outlet of the exhaust. There is another support tap mount on the exhaust manifold as well.
I have enough clearance behind the pump and bracket for two layers of 2200 degree insulation of the turbo and exhaust manifold/pipes, and there is about 5/8" clearance from the tire. I will put a shield around the front when the final mounting with insulation is complete, hopefully next week.
Here are a few pics before I painted the pump and bracket black.
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posted February 18, 2009 07:08 PM
awwwwe,
not to be a critic, but when the suspension compresses, is the tire gonna rub?
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posted February 19, 2009 07:17 AM
Edited By: JDC on 19 Feb 2009 17:26
Yes, suspension compression has been checked and has good clearance with full compression! and it has more space with suspension compression as the frame is 'lowering' in relation to the wheel, so to speak.
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posted February 19, 2009 12:52 PM
Personally even with some shielding I'd be kinda nervous about having my pump there due to heat and damage potential. The pump may cook fast, and you might be dumping extra hot oil back into your sump, making the 14's cooling system work even harder. None of the kit instructions I've seen have the fuel or scavenge pumps that close to the turbo/exhaust. It might not be a prob........but I would be uncomfortable with it.
I have a couple pics of diff ways that some other kit makers mount their scavenge pumps......if you'd like them just post your e-mail and I'll send them to you Be sure and protect your wiring and hoses from the heat, or they'll bake and crack quick. Cycle-Logic offers a smaller black pump complete with billet bracket, with less draw, and ready to bolt on, if you wan't a more compact alternative.
I can't wait to get started on my install........all the boosted fun you're already having is making me damn jealous lol
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posted February 19, 2009 01:33 PM
Edited By: JDC on 19 Feb 2009 21:41
MJ:
Yeah I was probleming the location there (center) and initially did not want to insulate anything... lazy. Since I have some good/very efficient insulation coming, I feel confident about the location. I used the same type with a turbo Porsche I had and it worked wonderfully.
If it ends up not working I would certainly like to see the options you referenced, thank you.
Here is the pump rough mounted, temp piece of insulation which was all I have until the order of stuff arrives. Once that order arrives, the whole turbo and exhaust will be wrapped.
After checking the pump for working condition following the install, went out for a test ride and all seems well. No more blue smoke.
I have a small raise in the outlet hose I want to do that leads to the pump, about 1" rise on the turbo outlet, but did not have the correct fitting. Once that is done it will be all down hill from the turbo to the pump, though that is likely not necessary as the pump also does a little pickup/pull.
The wiring is running toward the cooler side of the bike and up/away from the hot items. It will also get some insulation when the stuff arrives, but I don't think it is necessary, just precautionary.
... so I am on hold for the guage install until the new windshield arrives, and the insulation to wrap that part up.
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posted February 21, 2009 08:43 AM
Came upon an interesting discovery since the scavange pump was installed.
While blasting along the highway a few times, 2-5 gears, I could feel a little, repeating ,soft bumping, only when under hard (boost) acceleration, and the front wheel lifting up/ or front wheel off the road. I had not considered the front suspension decompressing-extending (wheel 'lowering' in relation to the pump/bike frame), since I had put on extensions last year, just to prevent the front end from coming up, and have not had that problem since... well at least up to putting on the turbo. Even with the extensions and without trying, this bike will lift off the ground.
Discovered that the pump was getting contacted by the front wheel during these occasions. I lowered the pump about 7/8", and re-tested. No more contact. Will fix a gadget to the top of the pump to 'measure' the amount of clearance.
There is about another 1/2 inch more of lowering possible before the cowl restricts.
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posted March 03, 2009 04:21 PM
A few more pics:
I've been messing about with the 3 gauge consol face plate for the last 4 week days. I think it is now finished, the 3 gauge wiring and connections are complete, oil, fuel and boost, and the top windscreen, lower raiser windscreen and face plate are drying today.
I am waiting on UPS to deliver some rubber squash washers for the upper windscreen before I put things all back together.
I raised the upper windshield about 1 1/2 by using a Pugh double bubble base:
On top of that is a Pugh double bubble. The front inside is painted black up to where the new 3 gauge colsole plate goes:
Here is a photo of the face plate:
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posted March 03, 2009 04:21 PM
Another few more pics:
A few more pictures:
Profile of 'Pugh' triple bubble. I still have to trim the back edge.
and gauge panel temp mounted. Once I run around a while and confirm placement, I will permenantely mount with brackets, I think. Maybe a few weeks. It will inset about another 1/2 inch towards front and fully over the OEM dash as the final placement. I will need to trim the lower left and right corners as well and finish the edging. It is currently held on with two magnets.
lower riser Pugh union with upper double bubble Pugh
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posted March 03, 2009 07:30 PM
Here are a few pics at night, with and without flash:
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posted March 03, 2009 10:31 PM
^^^^^^^THAT - is really cool. I know that would impress the hell out of me if I walked up to that parked at the curb.
I take a peak at the turbo threads once in a while even though I can't see doing it until at least a year from now. Nice work JDC.
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posted March 04, 2009 07:35 AM
Very creative!
What clip ons are you using?
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posted March 04, 2009 08:36 AM
What is a clip on?
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posted March 04, 2009 10:07 AM
the handle bars
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