posted January 04, 2009 10:51 AM
jixer vs zx14 stopped in at the a local shop the other day and talked with a guy that is a jixer 1000 owner plus he sells all the different models as well, anyway we started to talk about performance and other things as well. he said that the way the jixer is set up it is the bike to have right now that it would take out anything as well as the busa power to weight ratio. then we started looking at some slip of paper that comes with each bike sure enough it puts out ten less horepower than the busa and weighs about a 150lbs less than the busa go figure, plus i know that the busa puts out a little more horse than the zx14 from what i have heard.
But there is always the tork issue and i know that thay have the 1000 beat there by alot more than 10lbs plus you can change your maps on the fly. STILL LOVE THE 14.
posted January 04, 2009 11:28 AM
what he didn't tell you is that if you drag race it, you can expect to put clutches in it every few outings, and that it's going to be hard enough to ride that it takes an above average rider to get it down the track. If all that mattered was HP to weight ratio for drag racing, then the ZX10 would be the bike to beat.
Hey smokin... how's your zx10 compare to your 14? ____________
Best 60ft: 1.42
Best 1/8th: 5.97
Best 1/8th MPH: 119
quote:what he didn't tell you is that if you drag race it, you can expect to put clutches in it every few outings, and that it's going to be hard enough to ride that it takes an above average rider to get it down the track. If all that mattered was HP to weight ratio for drag racing, then the ZX10 would be the bike to beat.
posted January 04, 2009 11:55 AM
shitty clutch, and too wheelie happy. Don't tell me that you haven't gone to the track and seen 90% of the 1000's that run out there at stock wheelbase going 7.0's. You've pretty much got to have them slammed and stretched to run a half decent time on them. Unlike the 14 or busa which can be ridden fairly decent even at stock height and stock wheelbase.
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Best 60ft: 1.42
Best 1/8th: 5.97
Best 1/8th MPH: 119
posted January 04, 2009 12:28 PM
I agree, my 636 geared was harder to keep down than my 14... Never tried a stock 1000
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Best: 60ft 1.351 1/8 5.68 mph 123.98 1/4
8.89 mph 151.32
posted January 04, 2009 12:31 PM
I own a 2006 GSXR1000 as well as a 2006 ZX14. I am going to sell one of them in the spring and it aint going to be the ZX14. The Gixxer can have the ZX14 for lunch on a curvy road, no doubt about it. However, in a straight line they are very very close and the ZX14 is far easier to keep in a straight line and keep the front wheel on or close to the ground. It is way more stable at high speeds than the Gixxer, much smoother, better front brakes and more comfortable. I stretched the Gixxer for awhile so it would keep the front wheel down but stretched, it cornered terribly which defeated the purpose of having it. You may give up a little bit in acceleration to a modded Gixxer but it wont be much.
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posted January 04, 2009 02:09 PM
Edited By: BobC on 4 Jan 2009 22:11
I owned a GSX-R1000K5 and swapped it for an 06 ZX-14 as soon as they became available, they are both brilliant bikes. Like the man said the Gixer is the king of the bends but the 14 is the one I'd have. It's better equipped, better two-up, a better everyday bike, better in the quarter mile and better for out-and-out top speed.
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posted January 04, 2009 03:09 PM
I believe the zx14 is the better bike for heavier riders, the torque pulls the weight nicely. With the 1ks you gotta feather the clutch so bad, 1 mistake the race is over. Just my 2 cents.
quote:I believe the zx14 is the better bike for heavier riders, the torque pulls the weight nicely. With the 1ks you gotta feather the clutch so bad, 1 mistake the race is over. Just my 2 cents.
+1
I had an 06 gixxer 1k before my 14 and everything said here is true. Being over 200lbs my clutch would last just about 40 passes before it was up in smoke. It was much harder to launch. My best time on my stock length 1k with the same mods as my 14 was a 9.67 @ 147mph and that was on race gas.
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posted January 04, 2009 09:28 PM
Gixxer for the track (with curves)
ZX14 for the track (without curves)
There is a reason why the bikes are built the way they are. Even if you don't compare the Gixxer to the 14 and you compare it to the Busa, and suzuki pureheart will tell you the Busa will stomp a 1k going the road.
I run with nothing but 06/07/08 Gixxer 1K's and R1's, mostly canyon carving and twisties. All with pipes, PC's etc ...
I can catch any of the 1K's even if they get the jump on me, and lord help them after 140mph, it's bye bye time then.
your friend at the shop needs to get out more.
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quote:I run with nothing but 06/07/08 Gixxer 1K's and R1's, mostly canyon carving and twisties. All with pipes, PC's etc ...
I can catch any of the 1K's even if they get the jump on me, and lord help them after 140mph, it's bye bye time then.
your friend at the shop needs to get out more.
Same thing I've found. With the sole exception of a 08 ZX10 that I just flat out couldnt pull on in the straights (though I wasted him in the corners. Go figure), all other 1k's I've run against only stay with me in the 30mph-100mph range. Under 30 and over 100mph I have them at my mercy.
I keep expecting a newer 1k to show me up, but it hasnt happened yet. Wonder how much of that is the cold dense air up here in Washington State? The 14 REALLY seems to like cold air, much more than any other bike I've owned. I keep hearing of you guys in the warmer/thinner air climates having trouble with R1's and such and wondering why that hasnt happened to me up here yet? And for the record, I've ran against at least thirty 1k's since I Muzzy'd/pcIII/flies out'd my bike. Fun times!
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'06 zx14
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PCIII w/ Muzzy map
Flies out K&N in!
bits n pieces...
posted January 05, 2009 09:31 AM
Edited By: dubious on 5 Jan 2009 17:33
quote:
quote:I run with nothing but 06/07/08 Gixxer 1K's and R1's, mostly canyon carving and twisties. All with pipes, PC's etc ...
I can catch any of the 1K's even if they get the jump on me, and lord help them after 140mph, it's bye bye time then.
your friend at the shop needs to get out more.
Same thing I've found. With the sole exception of a 08 ZX10 that I just flat out couldnt pull on in the straights (though I wasted him in the corners. Go figure), all other 1k's I've run against only stay with me in the 30mph-100mph range. Under 30 and over 100mph I have them at my mercy.
I keep expecting a newer 1k to show me up, but it hasnt happened yet. Wonder how much of that is the cold dense air up here in Washington State? The 14 REALLY seems to like cold air, much more than any other bike I've owned. I keep hearing of you guys in the warmer/thinner air climates having trouble with R1's and such and wondering why that hasnt happened to me up here yet? And for the record, I've ran against at least thirty 1k's since I Muzzy'd/pcIII/flies out'd my bike. Fun times!
I rode my buddies 08 zx10 last summer, and although mine was torn down at the time and could not compare directly, the zx10 does have a good upper rpm rush, but no torque.
I remember getting off it and smiling to myself.... glad I kept the 14!
Stix your a big heavy guy, so it doesn't surpris me an average sized guy on an 08 zx10 was staying with you on the straights.
I would think it would take about 50lbs rider weight advantage for an 08zx10 rider to balance the power difference of an uncorked 14.
They still would have a much more difficult time launching the 08zx10 compared to the 14 though. The taller gearing and light frt end likes the sky on the 10.
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posted January 05, 2009 09:53 AM
Dragstrip... they better have some shit. PERIOD! I guarantee you that you put the same rider on a 1k and a 14 or busa set up exactly the same and they will turn quite a bit faster on the big bike. How are you running on rachel's turbo comared to your NA 14?
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Best 60ft: 1.42
Best 1/8th: 5.97
Best 1/8th MPH: 119
posted January 05, 2009 10:01 AM
Dubious from what I've seen, the faster/ lighter rider 1000's have serious issues keeping full throttle below 120mph or so due to wheelying, then after 120mph they just cant seem to match the aero's and superior hp of my 14. Just seems to work. Except when exiting a 50mph corner under hard throttle... 'bout the only place I just flat out cant match the 600's and 1000's.
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'06 zx14
Muzzy M10/M14
PCIII w/ Muzzy map
Flies out K&N in!
bits n pieces...
posted January 05, 2009 10:38 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 5 Jan 2009 18:38
quote:Dragstrip... they better have some shit. PERIOD! I guarantee you that you put the same rider on a 1k and a 14 or busa set up exactly the same and they will turn quite a bit faster on the big bike. How are you running on rachel's turbo comared to your NA 14?
If you look at the Super Sport bikes, the 1000's are often quicker. I've seen quite a few 1000's run equal or faster at the track. But, being serious...I'd take a 175 lb. rider on a 1000 over a 14 with a 320 lb. rider any day of the week....with equally set up machines, of course.
I only have 1 unrestricted pass on her Turbo. That was on 6 lbs., with 116 fuel, and 6 degrees timing pulled...I figure about 190 hp (low compression motor). I went 190 mph on that pass. She went 194 mph on the same 6 lbs, but she is about 80 lbs. less, suited.
She's now been 204 on it, with more boost. I could have given it another whirl, but I'd like to crack 200 on my bike....not hers.
posted January 05, 2009 11:01 AM
Just so we are on the same page here fellas, I'm not referring to drag racing. All my encounters were on various back road group rides on the bigger straightaways. Got nothing but respect for you guys who run the 1/8th and 1/4, but thats just not my thing. If I weighed less than 200lbs maybe... lol
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'06 zx14
Muzzy M10/M14
PCIII w/ Muzzy map
Flies out K&N in!
bits n pieces...
posted January 05, 2009 11:13 AM
I have been outrun by only one liter bike and that was an 07 r1. I know those aren't supposed to be the fastest liter bikes but he flat out ran me all the way to 180. I jumped a half bike and at about 130ish he pulled by and at 180 he was a bike ahead of me..... very fun though.... he weighed probably 50lbs less than me, and similar mods. I've beaten a couple gsxrs and cbrs, but never raced any zx10s.
If you look at the Super Sport bikes, the 1000's are often quicker. I've seen quite a few 1000's run equal or faster at the track. But, being serious...I'd take a 175 lb. rider on a 1000 over a 14 with a 320 lb. rider any day of the week....with equally set up machines, of course.
LMFAO, what about a 175 lb rider on a 1000 vs. a 175 lb rider on a 14? I'm pretty sure that I could take my stock 14 and smack the shit out of a 320 lb rider on a piped and pc-3'd 14 with no problems.
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Best 60ft: 1.42
Best 1/8th: 5.97
Best 1/8th MPH: 119
posted January 05, 2009 03:25 PM
Last time I was at the track there wasn't too many 300plus pound riders around.
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Best: 60ft 1.351 1/8 5.68 mph 123.98 1/4
8.89 mph 151.32
If you look at the Super Sport bikes, the 1000's are often quicker. I've seen quite a few 1000's run equal or faster at the track. But, being serious...I'd take a 175 lb. rider on a 1000 over a 14 with a 320 lb. rider any day of the week....with equally set up machines, of course.
LMFAO, what about a 175 lb rider on a 1000 vs. a 175 lb rider on a 14? I'm pretty sure that I could take my stock 14 and smack the shit out of a 320 lb rider on a piped and pc-3'd 14 with no problems.
My point is....Sticks is like 320 lbs....and he has apparently smacked down 30 different 1000's, by his account.
I'm saying, a regular-sized guy on a 1000 is my pick in that situation...
posted January 05, 2009 03:38 PM
Its the easiest bike ive ever had to go fast on period (zx14). It seems to make even the worst rider look good. As far as wieght goes. Put a 250lb guy on both bikes. See who goes faster. Im betting on the 14. Im not puting zx14s on a pedastal, but i never will regret buying my 06. Shane you should know, since youve had experience with torque challenged bikes b4. (zx12) .1 of the hardest bikes to go fast on. I rode an 08 1000 suz, not impressed, if you let out the clutch to early it falls on its face. Just my 3 cents again.
posted January 05, 2009 03:47 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 6 Jan 2009 00:03
quote:Its the easiest bike ive ever had to go fast on period (zx14). It seems to make even the worst rider look good. As far as wieght goes. Put a 250lb guy on both bikes. See who goes faster. Im betting on the 14. Im not puting zx14s on a pedastal, but i never will regret buying my 06. Shane you should know, since youve had experience with torque challenged bikes b4. (zx12) .1 of the hardest bikes to go fast on. I rode an 08 1000 suz, not impressed, if you let out the clutch to early it falls on its face. Just my 3 cents again.
Well, the 1000's don't ride themselves...they are harder to ride fast. But I've seen enough of them run at the track to know that they are VERY fast, in the right hands. Stock wheelbase...forget it. Extend it and you've got a real race on your hands.
I broke into the 9's for the first time on an 03 1k, with a little less w/b than my 14. I never got great with the clutch, but mph was very close to my 14, foot shifting. My girlfriend has run 9.5's on it, foot shifting. She is no pro, but the bike is light and quick.
I'm not big into BS...and when I see a 300+ lb. guy talking about roasting 30 different 1000's (street or strip), I have to cringe....and raise the BS flag. Sorry Sticks, but the guys you are racing must be slow.
The majority of guys who claim that their 14's can beat a 1000 don't even race.
posted January 05, 2009 04:18 PM
Oi have to admit I have been outrun by a few stock 1000s but the guys riding them go 6.0s and 5.9s on completely stock 14 and busas... Stock for stock, same guy riding each of the bikes, I don't see a 1000 running with a 14.
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