bruno nadeau
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posted November 17, 2008 01:59 PM
klean air system
is here someone to tell me the procedure to remove the clean air system or disable it i need to do that to self tune with motty afr tuner.thank you
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bigdtd
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posted November 17, 2008 03:21 PM
are you talking about removing the air cleaner or emissions controls? some aftermarket pipes have a bung where you can insert a sensor to measure the air/ fuel ratio for tuning purposes. maybe the piece you bought has some instructions?
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Hawkman
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posted November 17, 2008 05:39 PM
If it's emissions:
Take the seat off.
Remove the black little box.
Two hoses ......
Black w/ Blue strip ........ leave open to vent under seat.
Black w/ Green strip ...... remove completely - this hose runs up to
the #3 intake port. Remove hose and install a vacuum cap.
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bruno nadeau
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posted November 17, 2008 05:40 PM
i am talking about emission controls .with the motty afr tuner i have to disable it and i am not shure how to do that.do i have io instal block of plate or simply plug the hose that go to the air filter box in this case the frame.i just remove1 week ago my pcIII to try the motty afr tuner .for the 3 hours of self mapping i think this unit is the best thing i buy for my bike .zx14 2006 blue flies out ti force exhaust motty afr tuner.
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KZScott
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posted November 17, 2008 05:45 PM
you can just plug the hoses on the valve cover, but leave the crank case vent open
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bruno nadeau
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posted November 17, 2008 06:21 PM
thank you for your reply first i am from quebec canada i think my bike is not exactly like yours i dont have the blak box under the seat my tank vent directly under the bike.second for the hose on the valve cover :i have a hose that come from the air filter box that go to i think it is an electric control or a pump i will call it a thing from this thing i have 2 short hoses that conect to a plate on the right and the other to a plate the left that al i dont have a crank case vent at this place do i have to plug the hose that come from the filter or the 2 other hose. thank you
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posted November 17, 2008 07:20 PM
pissear could explain it best.........
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posted November 17, 2008 08:16 PM
What are the advantages/disadvantages of removing the canister?
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posted November 17, 2008 08:19 PM
quote:
pissear could explain it best.........
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posted November 17, 2008 09:29 PM
install a set of block off plates on the valve cover, or just plug the 2 hoses going into the valve cover. plug the bigger hose that goes to the air box(from the smog pump, air pump thingy) leave the crank case open to vent to the air box. basically you just need to stop the air from going into the valve cover (the 2 hoses going to plates) and if you take anything out you must seal the airbox .
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posted November 18, 2008 02:50 AM
thanks for the help.to answer NYC ZX-14 i am tuning by air fuel ratio if i dont remove the smog pump i get false reading in the exhaust because of the fresh air in the exhaust comming from the smog pump.it is supposed to remove the pop up wen decelerate but i dont know.it is not supposed to do disavantage except for smog.
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posted November 18, 2008 03:21 AM
thanks for the help.to answer NYC ZX-14 i am tuning by air fuel ratio if i dont remove the smog pump i get false reading in the exhaust because of the fresh air in the exhaust comming from the smog pump.removing the smog pump is supposed to remove the pop up wen decelerate but i dont know.it is not supposed to do disavantage except for smog.after i finish my injector map with the motty afr tuner i will doublle check with an lm2 air fuel ratio analyser if my target air fuel ratio is what i ask for .the map i was building now is at 12,8 afr for power and 14,7 for crusing.if it is ok nex i will make map at 13.and another at 12.5 for power, alwaws at 14,7 for crusing and see witch one is the best after i will fine tune the best one i will post the result.
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posted November 18, 2008 03:52 PM
The shop I go to has a nifty trick where they vent the case throught eh PVC (?) valve. It will act like a vacuum pump and reduce the case pressure netting about 2hp gain.
Sucks have a California emmisioned bike. 
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posted November 18, 2008 05:24 PM
I bought my bike in New York and I believe it is a CA emissions bike. Are all 14's built to CA specs? Do non-CA bikes have no canister under the seat?
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posted November 19, 2008 02:17 AM
correct. i bought mine here in memphis and i dont have a canister under my seat.
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posted November 19, 2008 02:56 AM
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The shop I go to has a nifty trick where they vent the case throught eh PVC (?) valve. It will act like a vacuum pump and reduce the case pressure netting about 2hp gain.
Sucks have a California emmisioned bike.
guys have been doing it for yrs on the 12. usually called the crank case vent mod. I had it on my bike untill i started data logging so I installed block offs
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00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted November 19, 2008 04:03 PM
The token PVC trick is the 14's crankcase is vented to the intake signal. Piston is going down in the crank and the crank air (where the piston was) is pushing the balance of air signal is all about a balanced system.
You have oil in the post ram (after the a/c)? Bad ring blow-by. Pistons are scored, etc.
We have all that early morning cold engine wet, stumble big chunks of fuel being the engine temp is not warm to work more efficiently. So, the idea of adding more air into one of the exhaust ports is to keep the heat moving is all that is happening. Yes, it wants to add more air to keep burning an over rich bike/car to begin with.
The reed valve is mechanical, not electrical. So, if you are dyno running, how can the PAIR affect the A/Fratio if the PAIR only works on lift! You let off of the throttle, this creates the suck out the pipe is the reeds now open on lift. YOu are not tuning on lift, are you? I didn't think so.
So, you are going to run even more rich with the PAIR turned off. Now you slowed the (hot) air down basically. No cool air to keep the unspent to fire off and keep the heat going. Go boil some water and shut off the heat. Watch the bubbles stop COLD!
The wafer in the PAIR may be the signal to shut off fuel and add the air. Then, if you remove the PAIR system, you eventually have the PAIR not matching the TPS at lift. Therefore, there is one more miss-signal that may or may not have a code. Same non-code when you hit the spark box parameter and that retards/fuel cuts the 4° advancer and there is your HP loss told on the dyno.
On average, cars/bikes run about 17:1 ratio cruising. There is no O2 sensor in the exhaust to alter your dyno tuning. You have that low, safe lean 17 at that 2.7 to 3,200rpm cruise lean fuel set. That is why you bump the trim up towards 13 is where you have less stumble and usually the front end comes up all clean at the bottom with a PC and a good dyno tweak.
So, if the factory is using a 14.7 fuel trim as average (17:1 as a little cruise window), add the PAIR to kill off more unspents; you then pull the reeds out and this stops both the reversion returning being it is too rich, plus the advantage of the PAIr adding more heat flow to pull the spent out of the cylinder chamber is somewhat lost if street was intended for best O/L performance.
You altered the crankcase vent trick by going open Atmo = Lose 1/2 to 2HP?.
You altered the fuel/trim speed by removing the PAIR fresh air speed is a more rich reversion is over-rich adding a layer of PC trim to stop the popping is wash more fuel than air into the chamber.
Sorta band-aid the lean popping is that fine line to tuning.
In a funny way > Kind of pulled horse to make HP.
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