kawasakijockey
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posted November 03, 2008 06:29 AM
16/44 and Speedohealer
Been researching it and have read where some with this gear ratio think that they hit the speed limiter before the traps at 146-148mph. On motor I am trapping 146mph every pass no matter what times I run and the 30 shot traps at 152mph no matter what. Brocks track map and street map with 87 or 93 pump gas give same mph in warm weather btw. I have been looking at the speedo and it is reading right at 190mph. Some claimed that the healer added a couple mph to their trap. Mods are Brocks AH, no flies, BMC race, lowered 1.25 frt 2.5 rear, 6inch over, 16/44, Schnitz hd springs and new oem clutches, Muzzy nitrous shifter combo, Shinko Usoft, Rotella T syn. oil. I just weighed myself with all my gear at 220 lbs. My 60 ft times are 1.52 to 1.58 as I run the stock seat and the ET is 9.39 to 9.43 on motor. Even if I screw up and run a 9.68 with a 1.62 it runs 146. Cant lower my 60 ft because of wheelies with my street set-up. Having to get used to hitting the nitrous button at the second gear shift and two passes backed up were 9.27 and 9.28 at 152. Now that all that is out of the way, have any of you had any ET/mph improvement with the Speedohealer at this gear ratio? I will order one today regardless but wanted to hear more about these issues. Thanks in advance.
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NINJA12
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posted November 03, 2008 06:41 AM
I have the same result with 16/43 running 155 mph reguardless.
I think you are on to something.
Lets see what we find out.
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BobC
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posted November 03, 2008 07:32 AM
 Edited By: BobC on 3 Nov 2008 15:39
The top speed limiter ought to cut in at around 162 with 16/44 gearing. It may be worth using a Speedo Healer because you don't need much slippage or speedo "optimism" to be near to this in the quarter. Ninja12 is within 7mph of this without allowing for slippage or speedo error.
A Speedo Healer set at around minus 13% should do it.
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madboost
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posted November 03, 2008 07:41 AM
the front sprocket theres a nut with 4 sides taek the cover off and grind 2 sides parellel to each other off, your speedo will read low but its a quick fix and if you ever decide you want the speedo healer you can buy the 20 dollar nut from a dealer.
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kawasakijockey
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posted November 03, 2008 07:49 AM
Is that what you had to do to yours to get up from 144 to 150 plus? I definately will get the healer even just for fixing the speedo error for street riding.
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2007 ZX-14
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9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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madboost
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posted November 03, 2008 10:50 AM
from 149 to 152 i went from doing that
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kawasakijockey
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posted November 03, 2008 12:52 PM
Alright, that's good enough for me then. Speedohealer ordered and maybe I can try it out in 2 weeks. I will let you guys know of my results.
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2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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kawasakijockey
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posted November 15, 2008 06:01 PM
Here it is: Speedohealer added 4-5 mph to the trap speed. Knocked the ET down to 9.20 @ 151 mph. There was one pass where they set me up 1/8th mile instead of 1/4 and that one was a 5.91 @ 121.5mph. This pass would have been good numbers for me for 1/4 mile. I wish I would have figured this Speedohealer thing out months ago. Didnt spray today as I was running 87 pump gas.
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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ninjaboy311
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posted November 15, 2008 07:59 PM
So you guys are saying that with 16-44 gearing, the bike may be hitting the speed limiter before the traps??
I have that gearing, and run a best of 8.82 and been as fast as 155 MPH in the 1/4. I have never felt the bike cutting out at all on the top end. Do yall feel the bike cutting out??
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posted November 15, 2008 08:03 PM
quote:
Here it is: Speedohealer added 4-5 mph to the trap speed. Knocked the ET down to 9.20 @ 151 mph. There was one pass where they set me up 1/8th mile instead of 1/4 and that one was a 5.91 @ 121.5mph. This pass would have been good numbers for me for 1/4 mile. I wish I would have figured this Speedohealer thing out months ago. Didnt spray today as I was running 87 pump gas.
That's why we call you the Tutor. Getting it done. 
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kawasakijockey
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posted November 15, 2008 09:43 PM
quote:
Here it is: Speedohealer added 4-5 mph to the trap speed. Knocked the ET down to 9.20 @ 151 mph. There was one pass where they set me up 1/8th mile instead of 1/4 and that one was a 5.91 @ 121.5mph. This pass would have been good numbers for me for 1/4 mile. I wish I would have figured this Speedohealer thing out months ago. Didnt spray today as I was running 87 pump gas.
Patrick, I am saying that for my particular bike for sure. It has never trapped over 146mph on motor until today. It was 10 degrees cooler today than the last time out ,but it picking up 5mph with nothing unchanged except adding a healer proves it for me. You dont feel the speed limiter kick in as I have top speed run my bike to check and it is hardly noticeable but you can see that the tach quits revving higher. My bike ran 152 last time out with a 30 shot and I believe that the faster acceleration kind of overshoots the speed limiter for a little bit. The speed limiter cuts fuel pulses from what I understand,instead of timing, and that could be bad juju for nitrous bikes. If someone knows otherwise I would appreciate it if you could set us straight. Maybe next week I can try the nitrous with 93pump and see what will happen then. BTW, Speedohealer setting for 16/44 is -17.3 without the "C". If you leave the conversion "C" your speedo will read slow.
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2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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kawasakijockey
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posted November 15, 2008 09:52 PM
quote:
quote:
Here it is: Speedohealer added 4-5 mph to the trap speed. Knocked the ET down to 9.20 @ 151 mph. There was one pass where they set me up 1/8th mile instead of 1/4 and that one was a 5.91 @ 121.5mph. This pass would have been good numbers for me for 1/4 mile. I wish I would have figured this Speedohealer thing out months ago. Didnt spray today as I was running 87 pump gas.
That's why we call you the Tutor. Getting it done.
One pass at a time pod'nah. One at a time..
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Get on the shortbus boys 'cause its time to get schooled.
2007 ZX-14
1.38 60ft
9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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ninjaboy311
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posted November 16, 2008 01:14 AM
I will check into this because I surely don't want it cutting me back if it is doing what you say. From what I see on my particular bike, I can't see that it is slowing me down at this time. But who knows. Anyone selling one?
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kawasakijockey
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posted November 16, 2008 05:26 AM
I wonder if you could just unplug the speedo sensor to try it at the track? Anybody try this?
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9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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Cajunboyz
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posted November 16, 2008 06:03 AM
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I wonder if you could just unplug the speedo sensor to try it at the track? Anybody try this?
I think if you unplug it, It only gives you one run then it goes into some type of limp mode.
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ninja12
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posted November 16, 2008 08:09 AM
Edited By: ninja12 on 16 Nov 2008 16:16
4psi of boost 155mph, 8 psi 155mph.
On the dyno the bike went RICH, with a ragged chart.
I'm pretty sure it's cutting fire .
Power went up faster but stopped climbing at the same place. flat as a table after that.
I thought I had clutch problems.
We came to the same fix, Speedoheeler.
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posted November 16, 2008 08:13 AM
speedohealer is fairly cheap and easy to setup
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kawasakijockey
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posted November 16, 2008 10:32 AM
quote:
4psi of boost 155mph, 8 psi 155mph.
On the dyno the bike went RICH, with a ragged chart.
I'm pretty sure it's cutting fire .
Power went up faster but stopped climbing at the same place. flat as a table after that.
I thought I had clutch problems.
We came to the same fix, Speedoheeler.
That's good info if the 14 goes rich at the speed limiter on the dyno. It means they still are retarding spark= not as bad for nitrous.
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2007 ZX-14
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9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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posted November 16, 2008 12:49 PM
wow, 16/44,,thats seems really low,,what gear r u in going through the trap,,,,
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ninjaboy311
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posted November 16, 2008 12:54 PM
Top of 5th for me.
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kawasakijockey
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posted November 16, 2008 01:04 PM
Same here, about 10,900 rpm since the healer install.
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9.03 @ 149mph
8.95 @153 small shot n2o
8.68 @160mph 5lbs boost
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ninjaboy311
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posted November 16, 2008 07:56 PM
Edited By: ninjaboy311 on 17 Nov 2008 04:15
I've been thinking about this all day, you guys have got me scratching my head now.
Let's see if this makes sense what I've been experiencing...
When shifting from 4th to 5th at about 1000ft or so at the track, my bike is known to pop or go 'boom'. We all know that popping is a sign of being lean, right? Well do you think the stock speed limiter is starting to take fuel away at this time, which is making my bike go lean, hence making it 'pop' between 4th and 5th???
Just a thought, do you think that's possible?
I have never felt a loss in power though, at all.
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posted November 16, 2008 08:38 PM
I thought that the speed limiter was only in 6th gear? on a 12 its a lower rev limit in 6th compared to 1-5. I use a bonneville box to let me get normal rpm in 6th to avoid hitting the limiter when using nitrous. (on motor i trap in the top of 5th)
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posted November 16, 2008 09:23 PM
Ninjaboy, rich will pop.
Think about this , IF the injector filled the cyclinder but not fired, what would happen to that fuel when the next cyclinder opened the exhaust valve to let that hot gas in the pipe with that unburned fuel? Boom. Remember the big nitrous bike on shift?
Do you want to bet they kill spark not fuel?
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ninjaboy311
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posted November 16, 2008 10:02 PM
What I really want to know is if its affecting my ET and MPH. I'm not worried about how its doing it, but 'if' its doing it on my bike.
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