GripnRIp
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posted September 21, 2008 08:46 AM
 Edited By: GripnRIp on 21 Sep 2008 17:28
bent bar while removeing flies
I was trying to remove a striped screw from the flies, I used a hammer to pound screw driver into screw, I didn't think I was hitting it hard enough to bend the bar, but it is bent and it will not move when the key is turned to on which causes the digital displayed to read "error f1" I tried to unplug it on the right side, but the error still comes up.
can I remove the bar altogether and just leave it out?
or do I have to bend it back into shape, or get a new bar and reinstall?
There is a special screw holding it in, it's star shaped with a post in the middle of it.
any help will be greatly appreciated.
  
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted September 21, 2008 11:51 AM
I've heard awhile back of a guy who pulled the bar and just left the actuator motor just hanging there. He was thinking he could get more airflow that way. Try leaving the bar in there and just taking the motor off would be my first idea. Bar aint gonna hurt anything, just gotta get that motor to be able to move so it thinks everythings working.
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Smooth_G
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posted September 21, 2008 01:50 PM
but if u remove the shaft, wouldnt u have to plug the holes where the shaft was,,i had no trouble getting my flies out, i could reuse the screws
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GripnRIp
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posted September 21, 2008 04:12 PM
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I've heard awhile back of a guy who pulled the bar and just left the actuator motor just hanging there. He was thinking he could get more airflow that way. Try leaving the bar in there and just taking the motor off would be my first idea. Bar aint gonna hurt anything, just gotta get that motor to be able to move so it thinks everythings working.
ya i thought of just taking the motor off and seeing if that would work. does anyone know if it would work? it's just one screw. if not i think i could just slide out the bar and hammer it straight again. or straight enough again.
also i'm stuck waiting on Muzzy to ship me the correct header for my bike. i order the TI full exhaust m14 and the header they gave me would not fit. i had to send it back and havnt see anything yet.
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3Boysand3Bikes
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posted September 21, 2008 09:05 PM
There was talk a while back and I believe a mechanic said that if you pull the motor, you will continue to get the error message. I also believe that some thought that the air turbulance may casue problems with the bar removed. IF you can bend it back so it works correctly that is the best procedure. If you can't, I believe that getting a new one would be the best thing to do. This is just opinion based upon the never ending info on the subject.
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Port_Angeles_NINJA
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posted September 22, 2008 10:44 AM
"ya i thought of just taking the motor off and seeing if that would work. does anyone know if it would work? it's just one screw"
Thats not the motor you are looking at. It is either the Main Throttle sensor (black) or the Subthrottle sensor (grey). The Motor is in between the second and third throttle bodies, right in the middle of the assembly. To see it you would have to remove the throttle bodies from the bike.
To get rid of the code the ecu has to see the voltage from the subthrottle sensor change in response to what it is commanding the motor to do. You're going to have to get the bar fixed, or pull the motor and the subthrottle sensor and rig them together somehow.
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posted September 22, 2008 11:25 AM
IMHO- I would just replace the bar. It can't be that much!
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Port_Angeles_NINJA
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posted September 22, 2008 12:05 PM
I don't think it is sold as a seperate part. I know you can't buy just the sensor or just the motor, only the whole throttle body assembly. I would assume the bar is the same deal.
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Superman T
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posted September 22, 2008 12:40 PM
Port_Angeles_NINJA- great point, did not consider that possiblility
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GripnRIp
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posted September 22, 2008 03:03 PM
Edited By: GripnRIp on 22 Sep 2008 23:04
thanx for the help. i'm gonna try out my blacksmith skills and straighten the bar. if that don't work i thought that i might be able to just cut the bar at the bend. if you're sitting on the bike, the screw on the far left is the one that stripped. if i just cut the bar in the middle there, it should turn. i hope i can get it straight enough by pounding on it.
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Port_Angeles_NINJA
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posted September 22, 2008 03:29 PM
As long as the bar between the motor (middle of assembly) and the subthrottle sensor (right side i think, i would have to check for sure) is still there, cutting the bar on the other side should be fine.
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MJ
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posted September 23, 2008 03:36 AM
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I don't think it is sold as a seperate part. I know you can't buy just the sensor or just the motor, only the whole throttle body assembly. I would assume the bar is the same deal.
Yep, you gotta buy the whole enchilada. A guy on another site bent his too, so he picked up a used throttle body assembly off of ebay for 250 bucks I think? Folks need to learn to keep hammers away from 14 throttle bodies.....you don't need a hammer to remove flies 
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posted September 23, 2008 05:27 AM
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I don't think it is sold as a seperate part. I know you can't buy just the sensor or just the motor, only the whole throttle body assembly. I would assume the bar is the same deal.
Yep, you gotta buy the whole enchilada. A guy on another site bent his too, so he picked up a used throttle body assembly off of ebay for 250 bucks I think? Folks need to learn to keep hammers away from 14 throttle bodies.....you don't need a hammer to remove flies
+1. Just need a new Philips and a little heat. If experiencing trouble - a lot of heat.
And of course, patience!
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posted September 23, 2008 07:34 AM
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GripnRIp
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posted October 05, 2008 09:03 AM
i found a throttle body assembly on ebay for 149.99! i should be getting it any day. i hope my experience will stop someone else from getting out the hammer when i screw pisses him off!!!!
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GripnRIp
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posted October 05, 2008 04:18 PM
does anyone know if i can remove the secondary fly bar without taking he throttle bodies off the bike? i really don't want to try that myself and it would cost a fortune at the stealership.
there's a nut on the left side, could you just loosen and pull the bar out?
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Shane661
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posted October 05, 2008 04:21 PM
I don't know about removing it on the bike. But you can remove and replace throttle bodies in 1 hour once the bodywork is off. It's pretty easy, even for an average guy like myself.
You can see some pictures in my build thread.
Shane
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GripnRIp
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posted October 05, 2008 05:48 PM
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I don't know about removing it on the bike. But you can remove and replace throttle bodies in 1 hour once the bodywork is off. It's pretty easy, even for an average guy like myself.
You can see some pictures in my build thread.
Shane
i have looked at your pics. sweeeeet bike by the way
is there anyway you could scan the pages from the manuel? i don't have one.
i guess i can give it a whirl, and if i can't get it back on, then take it to a shop 
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Shane661
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posted October 06, 2008 02:31 AM
I actually didn't use the manual. It's a few connectors, eight screws on the velocity stacks, and the fuel line. That's about it...
You can download the manual for free. Search for "repair manuals".
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wrongway
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posted October 06, 2008 03:34 AM
If my memory serves me correctly , you have to dissaemble the throttle body assembly to get the motor and shaft out. It would be easier to replace the entire unit than to try to get the shaft out.
are you interested in selling the the throttle bodies with the bent shaft ?
Roy
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