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posted September 10, 2008 07:59 AM
Looks like the only way to settle this is if Lacker 14 gets involved. He's got the Smeg on his bike, along with the Brocks Smeg map and about the same miles- crap, his might be an '08 model. Its all silver with factory color matched gills. If not a '08, looks like its a dyno shootout is in the works.
I've already ran him on the road from a 90+mph roll and it was too close to call: first time he got on it a full second sooner, and slowly pulled away. Second time we both hit it about the same and he never gained a foot. He weighs at least 100 pounds lighter than me, but I cant be certain he was full-on racing me. (99% certain close enough?)
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smokehouse4444
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posted September 10, 2008 10:11 AM
Beaulauber...I noticed that! How did you get it to work? I've only posted pics, not vids. And I think you are wearing my Joe Rocket jacket, are you sneaking into my house when I'm not there? LOL Anyway, hope it helps you rich s.
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted September 10, 2008 10:15 AM
Eastside Motorsports in Bellevue, WA. this saturday has a free dyno shootout.
Any takers?
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ratbyk
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posted September 10, 2008 11:19 AM
Eastside Motorsports in Bellevue, WA. this saturday has a free dyno shootout.
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Sounds interesting. Let us know what your bike cranks out!
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted September 10, 2008 12:36 PM
Would be ALOT better if someone else from here showed up and ran there 14! Gonna PM some members.
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beaulauber
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posted September 10, 2008 01:29 PM
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Beaulauber...I noticed that! How did you get it to work? I've only posted pics, not vids. And I think you are wearing my Joe Rocket jacket, are you sneaking into my house when I'm not there? LOL Anyway, hope it helps you rich s.
If you quote my post where i corrected the vid you can see the embed code required. Yeah, i broke in and tried on your jacket... hehehe.
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posted September 10, 2008 01:49 PM
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I tried the Brock gen3 and Smeg. The gen3 is perfect for street riding, where the Smeg is a little loud for my taste. Brock sells a quite plug for the Smeg if you must have that look.
If you're a racer sound takes a back seat to HP.
Nobody beats Brock at customer support!
I know everyone says the Brock Gen3 is MUCH quieter than the SMEG but what about vs. stock?
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madboost
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posted September 10, 2008 04:12 PM
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Looks like the only way to settle this is if Lacker 14 gets involved. He's got the Smeg on his bike, along with the Brocks Smeg map and about the same miles- crap, his might be an '08 model. Its all silver with factory color matched gills. If not a '08, looks like its a dyno shootout is in the works.
I've already ran him on the road from a 90+mph roll and it was too close to call: first time he got on it a full second sooner, and slowly pulled away. Second time we both hit it about the same and he never gained a foot. He weighs at least 100 pounds lighter than me, but I cant be certain he was full-on racing me. (99% certain close enough?)
how about you just run your bike at the track and post your #s, youve seen what people run on brocks systems, i've been 9.26@151 on tiforce stock wheelbase and 190lbs rider, i've see 190lbs riders go 9.30s on tsukigi. Racing from a roll is one thing and dyno is another but track is where its at, btw my bike made 198rwhp/121trq on HTP dyno on MR9 fuel and 186rwhp/114rwtr on 87octane but once again that just numbers and they dont mean anything.
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Kawabonzai
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posted September 10, 2008 04:18 PM
 Edited By: Kawabonzai on 10 Sep 2008 17:19
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if you want power dont buy muzzy, if you want cheap and some performance go ahead and buy it.
Very well put, but one thing ... ignorance is bliss. I'm glad you are "blissfull"
http://www.zx-14.info/bonzai/20080626_08ZX14_M14_BMC_PC3_FliesOut.jpg
Anyone from the Muzzy camp can put up numbers.
Anyone from the Brocks camp can also put up numbers.
Put both bikes together on the track witht he same rider and you'll see dyno numbers don't mean squat. These systems are so close in performance that it really comes down to looks and sound almost.
... almost.
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madboost
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posted September 10, 2008 04:38 PM
look i'm in no camp, i call it like i see it, see it at the track, is 173rwhp soposed to be alot?lol
I'm at the track i run these numbers i posted on tiforce, smokin runs brocks you've see his numbers and as well as others. Now we are no ricky gadsons but our #s are up there and i'm no jock either, so like i said before if you want to have a fair argument, please show your track #s untill then you really dont have an argument.
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bigdtd
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posted September 10, 2008 07:16 PM
smokins 14 runs the best numbers and it has a brocks pipe on it. my bike runs flawlessly and hauls ass as well, no problems in 2 years with brocks smeg. fit and finish and support is excellent. no i am not sponsored by anyone. go to the dragstrip and see what pipe the quickest bikes have. brocks has the rippin top end real world power. his maps start on the dyno and finish getting tweaked at the track for the best performance. nobody spends more time on maps.
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kawabonzai
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posted September 10, 2008 09:55 PM
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look i'm in no camp, i call it like i see it, see it at the track, is 173rwhp soposed to be alot?lol
I'm at the track i run these numbers i posted on tiforce, smokin runs brocks you've see his numbers and as well as others. Now we are no ricky gadsons but our #s are up there and i'm no jock either, so like i said before if you want to have a fair argument, please show your track #s untill then you really dont have an argument.
Sorry buddy, I wasn't making an argument, I was making a statement. If you would have paid any attention to what i posted you would have picked up that I was indicating Dyno number dont mean jack.
You are the only one arguing.
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted September 11, 2008 05:27 AM
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how about you just run your bike at the track and post your #s, youve seen what people run on brocks systems, i've been 9.26@151 on tiforce stock wheelbase and 190lbs rider, i've see 190lbs riders go 9.30s on tsukigi. Racing from a roll is one thing and dyno is another but track is where its at, btw my bike made 198rwhp/121trq on HTP dyno on MR9 fuel and 186rwhp/114rwtr on 87octane but once again that just numbers and they dont mean anything.
I don't run the 1/4 mile. 320lbs unsuited isn't exactly user friendly on a track. Hell, on a sport bike period! But I make do...
My 'thing' is roadracing, where skill is more important than weight (barely). I have to use my weight to throw the big beast around, but its not a issue that I can't overcome. I just wanted a bike that could force the other guys to beat me in the corners instead of the straights. My 14 has yet to lose in the straights- and when it does, I seriously doubt the rider that beats me can keep that gap in the upcoming corners. Midrange power is just as important as top end, and with the M10/M14 setup I don't think I'm making sacrifices in either category.
And did I mention it was ALOT more affordable than a Brocks? I'll give some of that savings back when I have to get the PCIII dyno'd properly for my bike (come on Muzzy, one stinkin map available?!?!) but its still a Win-Win in my book.
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madboost
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posted September 11, 2008 10:53 AM
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how about you just run your bike at the track and post your #s, youve seen what people run on brocks systems, i've been 9.26@151 on tiforce stock wheelbase and 190lbs rider, i've see 190lbs riders go 9.30s on tsukigi. Racing from a roll is one thing and dyno is another but track is where its at, btw my bike made 198rwhp/121trq on HTP dyno on MR9 fuel and 186rwhp/114rwtr on 87octane but once again that just numbers and they dont mean anything.
I don't run the 1/4 mile. 320lbs unsuited isn't exactly user friendly on a track. Hell, on a sport bike period! But I make do...
My 'thing' is roadracing, where skill is more important than weight (barely). I have to use my weight to throw the big beast around, but its not a issue that I can't overcome. I just wanted a bike that could force the other guys to beat me in the corners instead of the straights. My 14 has yet to lose in the straights- and when it does, I seriously doubt the rider that beats me can keep that gap in the upcoming corners. Midrange power is just as important as top end, and with the M10/M14 setup I don't think I'm making sacrifices in either category.
And did I mention it was ALOT more affordable than a Brocks? I'll give some of that savings back when I have to get the PCIII dyno'd properly for my bike (come on Muzzy, one stinkin map available?!?!) but its still a Win-Win in my book.
so are you trying to say you need no skill to drag race?
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted September 11, 2008 11:56 AM
Man don't even try to fit that mantle on my head. Drag racing requires alot of skill, I am not taking ANYTHING away from you guys in that regard. As I stated, being my size you know as well as I that I would be lucky to run a 10 second flat 1/4. And thats only IF i possessed the skill to get even that slow time out of my bike.
Funny thing is, skill being so important to drag racing, the only way to know if one exhaust is better 'at speed' than another is by the same guy doing back to backs on the same bike on the same day in the same conditions. And even an expert rider would have to do multiple passes to get an average or 'best' time. Throw in a custom tune for each pipe, and it's simply not likely to ever happen. So we are left to dyno shootouts and high speed high rpm rollons to decide.
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countersteer
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posted September 11, 2008 12:11 PM
i want the BEST bike, so ill buy a 14! i want the BEST exhaust, so which one do i buy? even though im an OK rider and ill never use all that power, i still need the BEST because my ego is so fucking huge.
really, most of you should admit to yourselves that you dont wring out every bit of performance from your 14s anyway- so why be so anal about which system to go with?
i like the orient express titanium systems myself.
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted September 11, 2008 12:22 PM
You're right Countersteer. I am one of the few street riders who actually use the full power of my 14 on a regular basis, and even then its very rare to do it against another bike that could give me a run that requires every HP it makes.
If I was a 200 pound or lighter rider? I doubt I would need anything other than a 1000 to accomplish my fun factor. With my weight and size, my 14's power is perfect for what I do with it. And I'm a maniac. I just wish it handled better and weighed about 50 pounds less...
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madboost
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posted September 11, 2008 01:41 PM
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Man don't even try to fit that mantle on my head. Drag racing requires alot of skill, I am not taking ANYTHING away from you guys in that regard. As I stated, being my size you know as well as I that I would be lucky to run a 10 second flat 1/4. And thats only IF i possessed the skill to get even that slow time out of my bike.
Funny thing is, skill being so important to drag racing, the only way to know if one exhaust is better 'at speed' than another is by the same guy doing back to backs on the same bike on the same day in the same conditions. And even an expert rider would have to do multiple passes to get an average or 'best' time. Throw in a custom tune for each pipe, and it's simply not likely to ever happen. So we are left to dyno shootouts and high speed high rpm rollons to decide.
no i run against other 14s with muzzy with riders that are about same weight as me that trap 4-6mph slower then me in teh 1/4, thats how you can tell.
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posted September 11, 2008 01:42 PM
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i want the BEST bike, so ill buy a 14! i want the BEST exhaust, so which one do i buy? even though im an OK rider and ill never use all that power, i still need the BEST because my ego is so fucking huge.
really, most of you should admit to yourselves that you dont wring out every bit of performance from your 14s anyway- so why be so anal about which system to go with?
i like the orient express titanium systems myself.
correct me if i'm wrong but oriental express usues tiforce and just puts their name on it.
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posted September 11, 2008 04:29 PM
you are correct, but orient express is hot shit. they are also the master distributor for tiforce in the U.S.
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Kawabonzai
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posted September 11, 2008 04:54 PM
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Midrange power is just as important as top end, and with the M10/M14 setup I don't think I'm making sacrifices in either category.
From all the Dyno sheets i've seen on the two pipes, the Muzzys M10/M14 makes about 4-5 more HP down low. I'm with you on mid-range. I do twisties and street and love the power there.
I should create a thread for the ZX-14 on non-drag tracks. I've got so many questions on how it performs there.
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madboost
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posted September 11, 2008 06:07 PM
youre right because in drag racing its not all about 60ft/330ft that makes the race and trq that gets you out of the hole lol, btw i launch at 2k rpm and i had to go down 1 tooth on the back just to manage wheelies.
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted September 16, 2008 04:50 AM
Kawabonzai: if you are even thinking about hitting the track, you MUST install stiffer springs front and rear. Rear is probably the most critical, it will keep you from hitting your fairings on high lean / high G corners. Front is abysmal for track use, but you can manage it if you're experienced enough.
Brakes are fine for an occasional track day, braided lines and HH pads in front wouldnt hurt, though.
Stock suspension use I would recommend trail braking to preload the front tire and using the slow in fast out approach. The 14 has so much power, and such a long wheelbase, that early power use is your only edge over other bikes. If the front tire comes up while still leaned over no biggy its completely controllable so DO NOT chop the throttle just carry it out. Rear will step out, but again easily controlled.
Be ready to lean your bike at higher lean angles than the other bikes out there, due to its longer wheel base, which also means do not try and follow a fast 600 or 1000 thru the corners on his line. Catch him just after the corner exit when he's changing gears and you are not. Torque is nice!
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