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posted September 06, 2008 02:39 PM        Edited By: Staff on 6 Sep 2008 15:40
Honda Announces World's First Electronically-Controlled “Combined ABS” for Super Sport Bikes

In a release sent to Bikeland via Honda Worldwide, Honda announces the availability of combined ABS being offered on select Super Sport models in select markets...

Honda has announced the world’s first electronically-controlled “Combined ABS” for Super Sport motorcycles, aimed at combining ABS and CBS systems into one system that applies the basic advantages of both, while specifically addressing the requirements of a Super Sport context.

In order to achieve this, the particular characteristics of Super Sport bikes, such as short wheelbase, are taken into account. The system also operates without interference to sports riding, and with an emphasis on maintaining full rider control.



About the New Combined ABS System

The system consists of an electronically controlled combined “brake by wire” system with an innovative stroke simulator. Direct motor control ensures precise operation of the ABS. The components are divided into several smaller units so there are more, but smaller units than in previous systems.

The system’s effectiveness is due to four main factors:
1. Electronic control of the CBS, allowing more advanced control of brake force. This provides a more sensitive distribution of brake force over both wheels.
2. Measurement of rider input force on each lever. The ideal brake force on both wheels is generated accordingly, providing optimum distribution and minimising vehicle body reaction.
3. An “ABS modulator” which ensures late triggering of ABS, and smooth ABS intervention.
4. Small size meaning that the system’s components can be well integrated in the motorcycle’s package. Thus mass-centralisation, a key feature for Super Sport bikes, is supported.


All the basic ABS and CBS functions are provided, including the prevention of wheel lock, improved balance and easy operation. This is achieved without any compromise to stability during ABS operation. Pitching is minimised so that the bike keeps its normal position. Overall, sport riding performance is uninterrupted - cornering feel remains the same and controllability is enhanced.









Source: Bikeland.org


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posted September 06, 2008 03:00 PM        
can you still do a stoppie?
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posted September 06, 2008 03:07 PM        
HONDA expects ABS/CBS technology to be hip on true supersport RR track bikes huh!? Seems like a longshot bet, don't you think?
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posted September 06, 2008 03:52 PM        
ill bet a big tree would stop it
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posted September 06, 2008 04:27 PM        

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posted September 06, 2008 06:06 PM        
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HONDA expects ABS/CBS technology to be hip on true supersport RR track bikes huh!? Seems like a longshot bet, don't you think?


If it can actually work and improve braking performance then it'll be welcome. People thought Fuel injection would always be too clunky and finicky for bikes and while it was at first (GSXR 750 FI), now we exchange Maps online for bikes that run much smoother and responsive. Traction control was thought to be a race only app too but it's making it's way into streetbikes as well.

Does seem kind of iffy though the bike they picture is in "Prototype Black".....

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posted September 06, 2008 07:49 PM        
This may be a dumb question , I know ABS but what do they mean by CBS ?
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posted September 06, 2008 09:01 PM        
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This may be a dumb question , I know ABS but what do they mean by CBS ?


Phil,

I believe thats existing technology on touring HONDA's where the front and back brakes work together as one and work in love peace and harmony, if I'm not mistaken. I could be mistaken
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posted September 07, 2008 01:01 AM        
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This may be a dumb question , I know ABS but what do they mean by CBS ?


Phil,

I believe thats existing technology on touring HONDA's where the front and back brakes work together as one and work in love peace and harmony, if I'm not mistaken. I could be mistaken


I think that was the linked braking system (LBS). If you get on the front brakes, rear brakes get applied a little too and vice versa. Had it on my '97 XX. Alot people hated that system but I didn't think it was too bad.

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posted September 07, 2008 06:26 AM        
should be interesting on a sportbike though...
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posted September 07, 2008 06:55 AM        
No stoppies or burnouts for you kiddies. Neither is possible with system and thats the way Honda wants it. The company absolutely HATES stunting as they feel it creates a bad image of their product to the public.
I read in an interview in one of the British mags about a year ago that their aim was to have this technology on all of their sportbike in 5 years.
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posted September 07, 2008 06:58 AM        
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This may be a dumb question , I know ABS but what do they mean by CBS ?


Phil,

I believe thats existing technology on touring HONDA's where the front and back brakes work together as one and work in love peace and harmony, if I'm not mistaken. I could be mistaken


I think that was the linked braking system (LBS). If you get on the front brakes, rear brakes get applied a little too and vice versa. Had it on my '97 XX. Alot people hated that system but I didn't think it was too bad.


CBS is Hondas term for linked brakes on a more sophisticated level. Still applies some level of both brakes at all times.
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posted September 07, 2008 07:45 AM        
On vehicles I was completly against ABS becuase the first generations sucked!!!
And the first ABS air brakes even worse !!!!

BUT now being able to drive the newest AWABS with tractions control and stability control is really awesome
YES you must drive these vehicles differently once you get over that they are WAY more fun

I think Honda will eventually do it well but I am not going to buy one of the first generations thats for sure :P

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posted September 07, 2008 07:57 AM        
steve just buy it!
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posted September 07, 2008 06:30 PM        
Yea Steve. Just get one and let us know. :P
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posted September 08, 2008 04:09 PM        
I'm not old enough for abs on a bike yet but getting close!
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