Pat Dietrich
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posted September 04, 2008 04:59 PM
Anyone try VP 4.2
WHats your results? My bike was mapped on the original U4 so whats anyones opinions on this 4.2 vs the old or even against pump fuel? Thinking of running friday and can get some 4.2 if your seeing good results
  
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madboost
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posted September 04, 2008 05:29 PM
 Edited By: madboost on 4 Sep 2008 18:30
u4.2 is good on the spray its 102 octane, throw some mr9/mr11 in there you'll fly
but as far as a/f goes you shouldnt see much difference betwenn u4 and u4.2
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Nox
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posted September 05, 2008 06:47 AM
I love it.
call VP, you will have to adjust your map just a hair for it.........
Once I did, i run the same as I did on the old U4. I have run 124 mph in the 1/8 mile, with stock internal parts on a zx12, with no spray.
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Pat Dietrich
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posted September 06, 2008 05:20 AM
Well, didnt get to take the bike but i do have a 5 gal. can so before i go ill take the bike to ryan s and get the map adjusted. ill post results on the difference in the map from u4 to 4.2. thanks Nox.
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JohnnyRocketZX14
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posted September 06, 2008 08:11 AM
hmmm, well brocks, muzzy, & schnitz told me never to spray with VP U4.2 and brocks said never to run it that it was junk (exact words) that only if the class i was racing in required it should i use it. MR9 is no longer being made so if you get some it will be shelf stock but MR11 and MRX01 (for spray) is the best(also cost the most)
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madboost
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posted September 06, 2008 02:55 PM
u4.2 is 102 octane dont see why you cant spray on it, mr9 is 87, mrxo1 is 92 octane so i def wouldnt spray on that.
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shane661
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posted September 06, 2008 02:57 PM
quote:
I love it.
call VP, you will have to adjust your map just a hair for it.........
Once I did, i run the same as I did on the old U4. I have run 124 mph in the 1/8 mile, with stock internal parts on a zx12, with no spray.
Nox, what is your mph difference with/without the fuel?
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KZScott
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posted September 06, 2008 05:24 PM
ive run a few 120s on pump gas, and im still working on my fuel map, launch, ect
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JohnnyRocketZX14
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posted September 06, 2008 09:50 PM
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u4.2 is 102 octane dont see why you cant spray on it, mr9 is 87, mrxo1 is 92 octane so i def wouldnt spray on that.
1. well i think caution should be used whenever spray is used on any Oxygenated fuel, 2. i believe they were also referring only to small shots (50 or less) of course proper AFR is the key and 3. MRX01 is 98 octane which is perfect for small shots and MR11 is 90 great for all motor runs. i was told that U4.2 has a detonation problem when used with nos, brocks said they have seen several motors damaged because of it..............................the fuel i want try is StreetBlaze 100, has anyone seen it or tried it??? claims to have 14% more power than premium 91 octane fuel
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madboost
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posted September 07, 2008 03:37 PM
any fuel thats claimed to have more power is oxygenated
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FIREBRAND74
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posted September 07, 2008 07:57 PM
my bike was dynoed and mapped by adams performance using 4.2 with spray . I haven't had any problems . What kind of damage was brock refering to?
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Nox
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posted September 08, 2008 06:05 AM
quote:
quote:
I love it.
call VP, you will have to adjust your map just a hair for it.........
Once I did, i run the same as I did on the old U4. I have run 124 mph in the 1/8 mile, with stock internal parts on a zx12, with no spray.
Nox, what is your mph difference with/without the fuel?
I have never quit running u4 since I started using it in 2004. When I started then, I gained 4 mph in the 1000ft, 3 mph in the 1/8, and 2 tenths...........
I short shifted my bike sat night in a 5.90 class, 700 rpm low on the shift light.........
ran a 3.78 330..........
Stock internals.
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Pat Dietrich
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posted September 08, 2008 04:19 PM
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my bike was dynoed and mapped by adams performance using 4.2 with spray . I haven't had any problems . What kind of damage was brock refering to?
And thats the key. if your bike is dynoed and mapped with the fuel using the nos and its done right, there should not be any detonation problem period. Especially since the 4.2 is over 100 octane i think the story has to be a little mixed up.
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KZScott
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posted September 08, 2008 05:20 PM
if you go by normal jetting and dont test, an oxy fuel would be way lean in a nitrous application right? mapped correctly, im guessing theres a lot more fuel added for a set amount of nitrous compared to non oxy fuel.
if you run c16 and nitrous really lean you will get damage too right? 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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JohnnyRocketZX14
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posted September 08, 2008 07:36 PM
lean/rich had nothing to do with the engine damage but detonation is where the problem was. Now that would normally be due to low octane fuel. Im am just mentioning what was just told to me last week when i questioned three different performance companies about my dyno results with nitrous. i am no expert, but the one thing they all agreed on was dont use U4.2 unless you compete in a class that requires it. especially don't spray with it. Wish i had asked more details as too why a fuel with appropriate octane rating had a detonation problem when used with nitrous but i didn't. I figured someone else would chime in and further explain by now
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madboost
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posted September 09, 2008 04:53 AM
alot of people i know spray on u4.2 with no issues
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SteddyTeddy
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posted September 09, 2008 04:55 AM
I ran through a can of StreetBlaze 103 a while back spraying. On motor I didn't get any real increase near as good as running U4.
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