johnnyrocketzx14
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posted August 30, 2008 06:19 AM
40 shot Nitrous,only 25??
went to dyno yesterday to check AFR. Ran NOS map on motor to check AFR then made a NOS run.... only made 25 HP with a size 34 jet...AFR was 13:1 on spray it was a brand new bottle and had almost 1000psi and weighed 1lb of NOS.... i am not understanding why the Muzzy system didnt put closer to 40hp. I added a bit more fule to bring the AFR down closer to 11.5 or 12:1 to be safe and some have told me i would make more power with the NOS there......i had sprayed a couple times on the street for maybe 1 second before and suspected it was not going to be 40hp......is this normal results???? am going to the track tonight and really want to know cause i am about to put the bigger jet in cause 25hp isn't what i need
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Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
   
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fifth
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posted August 30, 2008 06:43 AM
Glad Kawi doesn't advertise like that....."The new 200hp ZX-14" and you dyno it at 100hp....that would suck the big one.........
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smokinzx14
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posted August 30, 2008 08:40 AM
My 30 shot only made 20 hp but still ran 8.50s .....Spray numbers are a guess at best ... Kind of like the guy that said i caught a fish this big <--------------------------------------> when it was only this big <------> .....  You rarely get what they tell you ... Tony used jets that should have been 40 shot and we got 27 HP on the dyno ..
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Wheelie
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posted August 30, 2008 08:45 AM
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went to dyno yesterday to check AFR. Ran NOS map on motor to check AFR then made a NOS run.... only made 25 HP with a size 34 jet...AFR was 13:1 on spray it was a brand new bottle and had almost 1000psi and weighed 1lb of NOS.... i am not understanding why the Muzzy system didnt put closer to 40hp. I added a bit more fule to bring the AFR down closer to 11.5 or 12:1 to be safe and some have told me i would make more power with the NOS there......i had sprayed a couple times on the street for maybe 1 second before and suspected it was not going to be 40hp......is this normal results???? am going to the track tonight and really want to know cause i am about to put the bigger jet in cause 25hp isn't what i need
you still in Dallas? Tell me you didnt go to Sabin.
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted August 30, 2008 12:08 PM
no didn't go to Sabin, am back home now
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07 ZX14
Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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CrotchRocket
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posted August 30, 2008 12:27 PM
Yeah...Like GM saying the Z06 vette has a 505hp motor
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted August 30, 2008 12:44 PM
i am shocked to hear that is kinda normal, after all most systems show you a dyno chart of a bike and the gains they got. WTF if all i wanted was 25 i would have put a 30hp jet in......so i guess a 50hp jet is worth 30-35??? i will order a spray bar to get a more efficient system then get back to a dyno...
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07 ZX14
Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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ninja12
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posted August 31, 2008 06:48 AM
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i am shocked to hear that is kinda normal, after all most systems show you a dyno chart of a bike and the gains they got. WTF if all i wanted was 25 i would have put a 30hp jet in......so i guess a 50hp jet is worth 30-35??? i will order a spray bar to get a more efficient system then get back to a dyno...
You answered the question. A 40hp jet is capable of making 40hp under the right conditions. If you put that same jet in a spray bar or add 2degrees timing it will probably make more HP. Many factors go into the final result.
All 40 shot are not the same.
Remember -2 degree from BEST MOTOR timing for every 50 HPof nitrous.
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JohnnyRocketZX14
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posted August 31, 2008 10:19 AM
 Edited By: JohnnyRocketZX14 on 31 Aug 2008 11:23
has anyone used or seen the MPS spyder bar??? it looks bad ass and doesn't look like it would disrupt airflow as much as other systems, plus the 4 separate jets seem like it would have very even distribution
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Brocks Sidewinder, Stretched, lowered, strapped,Drag seat, PCIII W/Hub, No flies, BMC, Speedo Healer, Muzzy NOS/Shifter,
1.41 60, 5.77 1/8th 8.89 1/4
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Texascowboy7711
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posted January 29, 2013 08:32 AM
Hey guys I've got a 2004 cbr1000rr I put a wet kit on it. Using a 34 jet and I honestly can't feel much difference at all when I spray, is that common or is something wrong? Are you suppose to feel a serious jerk back or what?
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JZX
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posted January 29, 2013 09:47 AM
Edited By: JZX on 29 Jan 2013 18:11
A 42 jet=40 hp with an NOS nozzle and powershot solenoid at 1000 psi and zero degrees of timing pulled with an adams spray bar, the guage would lose an avg of 30 PSI before the HP peak rpm. That was using a 2.0 lb bottle. We think a 2.5 lb bottle would have worked better. The larger the jets, the faster the pressure drop. We made at least 15 pulls trying to find the best jet for power the entire 1/4 mile in relation to loss of pressure.
Now, if you bring the juice in on a ramp, you will have a better curve thru the pass. We ended up doing that on my buddies 100 shot Busa.
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cliffrandall
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posted January 29, 2013 06:31 PM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 30 Jan 2013 02:33
Here is what I did to increase the spray (by 60%) on my sleds and I'll do it with my 14 once we get it to the dyno at Champion in the spring..........Remove the jet (run the line volume right thru to the airbox manifold), add C12 Race fuel, 'richer' overlay map in your PC5.....If that's not enough, install bigger lines up from A3 to A4, if that's not enough, drill out the solenoid and the regulator to flow more n2o, again richer map, maybe some stronger valve springs and a head gasget depending on what you see at the dyno.
Cliff
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quick6
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posted January 30, 2013 06:35 AM
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Here is what I did to increase the spray (by 60%) on my sleds and I'll do it with my 14 once we get it to the dyno at Champion in the spring..........Remove the jet (run the line volume right thru to the airbox manifold), add C12 Race fuel, 'richer' overlay map in your PC5.....If that's not enough, install bigger lines up from A3 to A4, if that's not enough, drill out the solenoid and the regulator to flow more n2o, again richer map, maybe some stronger valve springs and a head gasget depending on what you see at the dyno.
Cliff
so youre actually suggesting people remove the nos jet and tune with just the solenoid? blow your stuff up if you want to. are you serious. most solenoids are rated to flow 150hp. good luck with that. but i wouldnt recommend that to anyone.
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shiphteey
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posted January 30, 2013 07:31 AM
My first time with nitrous was with a 40 shot.
Bike made 172 HP w/out spray, 201 with.
About 29 HP.
A.
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cliffrandall
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posted January 30, 2013 08:55 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 30 Jan 2013 17:06
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Here is what I did to increase the spray (by 60%) on my sleds and I'll do it with my 14 once we get it to the dyno at Champion in the spring..........Remove the jet (run the line volume right thru to the airbox manifold), add C12 Race fuel, 'richer' overlay map in your PC5.....If that's not enough, install bigger lines up from A3 to A4, if that's not enough, drill out the solenoid and the regulator to flow more n2o, again richer map, maybe some stronger valve springs and a head gasget depending on what you see at the dyno.
Cliff
so youre actually suggesting people remove the nos jet and tune with just the solenoid? blow your stuff up if you want to. are you serious. most solenoids are rated to flow 150hp. good luck with that. but i wouldnt recommend that to anyone.
Depends what system you have, the Muzzy n2o set-up doesn't use a regulator for the motor spray, just a solenoid and smaller (A3) line diameter with a jet to the manifold to control the volume. On Muzzy's unit the regulator is used for the air shifter only.....So, to answer your question (you obviously have never tuned a n2o motor) yes, remove the jet and chase the 'dyno tune' with a richer map and some race fuel, this is what we do. Nothing scary is going to happen (you might see 20-30 more hp) as long as you map and tune on a dyno with the mandatory 2 second bursts till you get it right. if you add more then a 50hp shot, valve springs are probably a good idea, maybe a gasket as well.
Cliff
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quick6
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posted January 30, 2013 09:10 AM
the muzzy kit is overpriced junk. tune your stuff anyway you want. when you think you have it right get a lane and ill show you how well i tune nitrous. bet you wont like it. we have the fastest nos 14 on the east coast in our camp and its tunes by us. btw theres no muzzy kit on it or any other fast bike i have ever seen.
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cliffrandall
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posted January 30, 2013 11:13 AM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 30 Jan 2013 21:17
Relax kid, any idiot can build a big n2o shot, what's your point?....... I'm just offering some interesting n2o tips for those 'who already have a kit' and would like to modify it little for more go.
FYI - the 2013 Muzzy n2o (engine & airshifter) kit I have is first class and it was fun to install their instructions were very thorough.
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shiphteey
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posted January 30, 2013 11:21 AM
Building a big n2o shot and having the fastest nos 14 on the east coast at the strip aren't the same thing. You're right Cliffrandall, any idiot can build a big n2o shot....how many hold up and break records whether in the 1/4...mile...1.5....or the salt?
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indynic
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posted January 30, 2013 12:22 PM
I got 37 HP to the wheel on my 40 shot.....
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cliffrandall
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posted January 30, 2013 01:50 PM
Edited By: cliffrandall on 30 Jan 2013 22:09
Agreed, what I meant to say was that "any idiot can in fact build a bigger n2o shot out of their existing system with a little work" - I'm living proof! Here's a pic of my sled this past weekend with a 125hp Boondocker kit shot modded up from a 60 shot.......Might be fun to run this 350hp rig against Quick in a 1/4 mi on tar!!
cheers,
Cliff
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MotoCycho
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posted January 30, 2013 01:52 PM
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I got 37 HP to the wheel on my 40 shot.....
Adams spray bar? 
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JZX
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posted January 30, 2013 02:00 PM
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Agreed, what i meant to say was that "any idiot can in fact buld a bigger n2o shot out of their existing system with a little work" - I'm living proof! Here's a pic of my sled this past weekend with a 125hp Boondocker kit shot modded up from a 60 shot.......Might be fun to run this 350hp rig against Quick ia a 1/4 mi on tar!!
cheers,
Cliff
You will need ALOT more then 350 hp....
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Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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cliffrandall
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posted January 30, 2013 02:11 PM
Christallmighty the friggin thing would probably run a low 8!
Cliff
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JZX
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posted January 30, 2013 02:31 PM
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Agreed, what i meant to say was that "any idiot can in fact buld a bigger n2o shot out of their existing system with a little work" - I'm living proof! Here's a pic of my sled this past weekend with a 125hp Boondocker kit shot modded up from a 60 shot.......Might be fun to run this 350hp rig against Quick ia a 1/4 mi on tar!!
cheers,
Cliff
You will need ALOT more then 350 hp....
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06 ZX14 65"
Best 1/8 mile 5.68@126.4 on a 1.41 60'
Best 1/4 mile 8.87@152.7 on a 1.47 60'
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quick6
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posted January 30, 2013 04:38 PM
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Agreed, what I meant to say was that "any idiot can in fact build a bigger n2o shot out of their existing system with a little work" - I'm living proof! Here's a pic of my sled this past weekend with a 125hp Boondocker kit shot modded up from a 60 shot.......Might be fun to run this 350hp rig against Quick in a 1/4 mi on tar!!
cheers,
Cliff
get your chip count right and i will run anything you have. and yes you will need more than 350hp for that lead slead.
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