butta4hc
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posted August 20, 2008 11:49 PM
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What's up Butta, I was cking out what you were saying here in ref to you pulling your friend on his "08" Busa 3 and 5 bike lengths. I'm a "06 14 owner myself. I don't mean to bust your bubble or anything but the reason why you are pulling him like you are is because he can't ride/race. What I mean by that is, look below at your quote regarding shifting technique. That's the answer right there. Your friend is releasing his throttle to shift. He's killing all his momentum when he does this. I see it all the time. When racing, you never release the throttle at all because when you do, that's stopping your acceleration, no matter what you are doing with the clutch hand. Always keep your throttle WOT. Your buddy just hasn't learned how to use that throttle hand yet and I bet he's pulling the clutch in too far as well. All this will hurt him in a race. When your friend finally learns how to race, you will see the difference. Y'all may even end up trading places with you trailing him because stock for stock, the "08" Busa is suppose to be a little faster than the "06" 14. It has both more HP & Torque than the "06" 14. It depends on the rider as well but as I said earlier, with all things being equal with the riders, when he learns how to race, you won't be pulling him at all and definitly nobody will be pulling the other 3 -5 bikes, regardless of who wins.
[HIS 2008 BUSA:
-SHIFTS, THROTTLE RELEASING TO ENGAGE THE CLUTCH
-200 LB. GOOD RIDER WITH BOOKBAG OF CLOTHES ON HIS BACK
-A FEW OTHER INSIGNIFICANT MODS
MY 2006 14:
-SHIFTS, WOT WHILE SNAPPING THE CLUTCH
-200 LB FAIRLY DECENT RIDER WITH FULL ROAD RACE LEATHERS
-30 LB TAILBAG
-10 LB TANK BAG
I fugured I would give him two out of three to make it fair so we set up once again. This time I was sure he was awake and would be ready for me...NOT! This time I told him to leave first. He hit it and got about a half bike in front of me. I jumped dead on his ass. When I snatched third you would have thought I had turbo. This time I had about three bikes on him before traffic put us on the binders hard. We both are not necessarily Rickey Gadson but we are definitely not novices and I would have thought I would have had a better fight from the new Busa. I need to catch a few more out there to be certain. Til then I'm gonna celebrate, lol.
I agree for the most part. Neither one of us knows exactly what we are making at the rear wheel either. I was told that my bike was making 190 RWHP on 89 pump gas with a stock filter. I'm sure I've picked up a few more horses that can't be measured with the BMC. While I'm not Rickey Gadson, I definitely taught him something because he went out last night with my 130 lb pres on his 2006 CBR 1K and handed him his ass...twice and normally my pres gets away from him. We will have a rematch for sure and I will post the results whether I win or lose. Not before a fresh oil change though, lol. Right now I'm the Roll On King in my club and it feels good, lol.
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butta4hc
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posted August 21, 2008 01:23 AM
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i had the shoei rf-1000 previously and the arai is a superior helmet for sure. the lightness, venting, and the way it stays still on your head at speed make it worth every penny. and its a monster. the guys at cycle gear got just one in and i snapped it up. they say they are having a hard time getting more. plus its nice to look good when you are kickin that busa butt.
I got mine for a good deal. We normally go to Pompton Honda in Pompton Lakes, NJ to buy our closeout helmets. The Hopkins Monster won't be a closeout for a while but I got it for a good deal. $650 + tx out the door. Wish they mass produced the Hayden or Hacking. Love they look on them as well.
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Fastest-14
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posted August 21, 2008 11:19 AM
Man, I wish I was in NJ with you guys, then I would be the "Roll On King". Hahaha!
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dhobbs74
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posted August 25, 2008 07:31 PM
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my 08 14 runs very respectable numbers and traps 150mph at the track, 4 of my friends have 08 busas, two that are the same weight trap the same or 1mph more at the track and the one that weights 140 unsuited traps 154.9mph on the same track same day as me. So either something wrong with your friends shifting or his bike....nice going though.
if the mods are teh same the bikes should be very close there shouldnt be much more then 1 lenght diffrence in a race.
Yeah I agree because when I ran an 08 busa with my 06 14 we were just about dead even all the way up to 170mph. When we let off he had me by about a tire length. I have the exact same mods as he has on his 14 and the busa I ran was pretty much stock. I really don't think he was riding that busa like he should have been.
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posted August 26, 2008 07:25 AM
Gotta agree with Fastest-14, while most riders like to think "anyone can twist a throttle in a straight line" thats not usually the case. Especially with a bike like our 14's or a 'Busa, the midrange torque is deceptive in leading guys to think they dont need to take it to redline for there shifts. Throw in the fact that alot of guys are paranoid about hitting the rev limiter and cannot speed shift and the faster bike can easily lose!
To make that point, I won a bet a couple years ago with a friend who had a 2001 Busa with pipe and PC. He was a slow shifting, never take it all the way to redline guy who liked to say "with my torque I don't need to" redline it. My modded TL1000R spanked him twice in rollons. Just flat embarrassing!
If he was even shifting a thousand rpm below redline that could account for a bike or two easily after a couple shifts, so chalk those wins up to being a better rider. I prefer to win that way myself, anyways....
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posted August 28, 2008 02:49 AM
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Gotta agree with Fastest-14, while most riders like to think "anyone can twist a throttle in a straight line" thats not usually the case. Especially with a bike like our 14's or a 'Busa, the midrange torque is deceptive in leading guys to think they dont need to take it to redline for there shifts. Throw in the fact that alot of guys are paranoid about hitting the rev limiter and cannot speed shift and the faster bike can easily lose!
To make that point, I won a bet a couple years ago with a friend who had a 2001 Busa with pipe and PC. He was a slow shifting, never take it all the way to redline guy who liked to say "with my torque I don't need to" redline it. My modded TL1000R spanked him twice in rollons. Just flat embarrassing!
If he was even shifting a thousand rpm below redline that could account for a bike or two easily after a couple shifts, so chalk those wins up to being a better rider. I prefer to win that way myself, anyways....
Plus what yer busa riding friend probably didn't realize is that the pipe he was so proud of actually killed some of his torque and moved his power farther upstairs...just the place he shoulda been shifting but didn't think he needed to lol
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kimski2001
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posted August 28, 2008 06:10 AM
I can believe what he is saying,for one i have ran three 08's and beat all 3 pretty bad!one guy was in my weight class the other two was lighter.i dont think that they matched my bike mod for mod,but they had basic things i could see.i think the gearing held them back tho cause they were stock,im 1 down and 1 up.on the initial hit i go out about 2 to 3 bikes(2nd gear)and from there it got worse.i believe that the bike is gonna run when the people running them finds them.it took me a lot of time and research to find my bike.I did alot of research made alot of mistakes,but in the end it was worth it.I think when people buy busa's they think that they are the fastest bikes because of all the hype that surrounds them not knowing you have to do some r&d.
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butta4hc
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posted August 28, 2008 10:33 AM
The end result is that I taught him something out there on the highway because he in turn beat my pres in roll ons the next few days. He said he was "shifting like me now." My pres is on a CBR 1000 but normally jumps out on the Busa club member because my pres knows his power band VERY well. So the next clean highway we will have that rematch and I will keep y'all posted.
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kimski2001
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posted August 28, 2008 10:38 AM
Sounds good!
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duncan
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posted August 28, 2008 04:58 PM
I have both {07 14 and 08 busa} although the busa now has a stage 2 turbo on it, when both were stock I personally felt the busa was slightly faster.{still all rider though} No question the 14 is faster than the gen 1 busa but gen 2 is a bike suzuki built to reclaim it's title. Personally my 14 is a perfect motorcycle and I'm probably going to f@%# it up when I install a big cc turbo system on it next year. I predict it will outrun my 08 turbo busa though...LOL
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted August 29, 2008 08:10 AM
Pics Duncan?? Sounds like you got one helluva man-cave garage going on! You strictly running them on the 1/4 or do you throw in any other kinda riding?
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bundy
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posted August 29, 2008 07:43 PM
sounds like fastest own a busa
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duncan
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posted August 29, 2008 07:57 PM
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Pics Duncan?? Sounds like you got one helluva man-cave garage going on! You strictly running them on the 1/4 or do you throw in any other kinda riding?
Actually I ride them mostly on the street. I've owned several different bikes but only 3 right now. z1000, zx14, 08 busa. I'll try to get pics up in a couple of days. Everything considered the 14 is my favorite.
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kawboy81
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posted August 29, 2008 08:43 PM
great kill!!! All ima say is rider error or not a win is a win. Me riding partna had a stretched 07 busa an I killed em
3 times back to back. He went the same week and got the 08 buss and wanted to try me. Even though he faired better in the roll one than on his 07 which was modded head work and all. I still crushed him, I gave him the move on a 2nd gear roll on and after he jumped about a half bike I caught him and pulled 4 bikes before I let out. And his words after I picked his heart up off the pavement was quote "that 14 breathin its ass off" meaning the top end was amazing. She just kept pulling and I don't care what neone says. Kawasakis ram air was crushing team Suzuki and I felt good about it. He got
Him a full yosh the other day and now wants to try me again I'm all for it!
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bigdtd
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posted August 31, 2008 01:29 PM
keep on spankin
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madboost
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posted September 01, 2008 04:50 AM
08 vs 08 same weight rider vs same skill rider, 14 or busa should not pull no more then 2 lenghts from start to finish. I hate to be mean but guys that think that they are destroying 08 busas with 14s are living in la la land.
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posted September 01, 2008 06:40 AM
butta was on a might 06, the fast year
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posted September 01, 2008 09:39 AM
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butta was on a might 06, the fast year
my 08 just went 9.26@151 stock wheelbase 190lbs rider, full pipe and tune, you right the 06 really is faster lol. they are exactly the same 06-08 thats what i ment to say
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posted September 01, 2008 12:41 PM
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butta was on a might 06, the fast year
my 08 just went 9.26@151 stock wheelbase 190lbs rider, full pipe and tune, you right the 06 really is faster lol. they are exactly the same 06-08 thats what i ment to say
9.26 with a 190 pound rider  ... Thats getting it done 
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madboost
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posted September 01, 2008 01:58 PM
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butta was on a might 06, the fast year
my 08 just went 9.26@151 stock wheelbase 190lbs rider, full pipe and tune, you right the 06 really is faster lol. they are exactly the same 06-08 thats what i ment to say
9.26 with a 190 pound rider ... Thats getting it done
thanks lee, i'm sure you saw the post on psychobike i didnt think i needed another one here since alot of racers are here that are on there anyways. IF i have time to get out to the track on friday i sure i can go 9.teens and then i'll stretch it.
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bundy
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posted September 04, 2008 07:22 PM
Was starting to think i was in busaville.
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posted September 05, 2008 12:24 PM
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sounds like fastest own a busa
Naw Bundy, I've owned 1 Honda in 1985, 2 ZX-11's and now my "06" ZX-14. Never owned a Busa, though I probably would if it rode as good as a 14 and if everybody and their grandfather didn't have one but I'm totally satisfied with my 14. I'm just a little disappointed that Kawasaki doesn't go for the jugular like Suzuki when it comes to all out performance. U cannot out build a Suzuki aftermarket. Kaw made the 14 with secondary butterfly's, which is total restriction on bottom end, below 5 grand and then they built the engine as a 1 piece top case cylinder, which is another inconvience in itself. Why build the baddest bike out there and place restrictions on it. People who buy bikes like the 14 and Busa aren't in the market for any restrictions. Seems that Kaw hasn't realized this yet. These are top of the line performance motorcycles, not mopeds or scooters.
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posted September 05, 2008 01:19 PM
Gotta dissagree. Let them all keep building bikes with more and more HP thats locked up so that experienced, smart guys can uncork them for all the performance we want!
Kinda like the new VMAX. 275 hp capable engine detuned to "only" 200hp. Now most guys would call that 'enough', but for us thats simply a challenge to get it back up to 275hp then see if we can add a few on top of that.
Am I wrong???
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posted September 05, 2008 01:26 PM
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Gotta dissagree. Let them all keep building bikes with more and more HP thats locked up so that experienced, smart guys can uncork them for all the performance we want!
Kinda like the new VMAX. 275 hp capable engine detuned to "only" 200hp. Now most guys would call that 'enough', but for us thats simply a challenge to get it back up to 275hp then see if we can add a few on top of that.
Am I wrong???
Sticks, what part do you disagree about?
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted September 05, 2008 01:37 PM
Kinda got off on a tangent, but this statement is the one: "Why build the baddest bike out there and place restrictions on it. People who buy bikes like the 14 and Busa aren't in the market for any restrictions"
The manufacturers cannot make high HP bikes without restricting them somehow becuase idiots would be killing themselves left and right on them! So they detune them. And we retune them. Granted the 14 has some boneheaded things about it that hurt its ability to be really tweaked for power, but maybe they just wanted you guys to Turbo them lol.
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