butta4hc
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posted August 18, 2008 01:49 PM
MY 14 STOMPS 2008 BUSA IN 2ND GEAR ROLL ON...TWICE!!!
This weekend my club and I rode from Paterson, NJ to Syracuse, NY. Five bikes. A 2007 GSX-R 1000, 2005 CBR 600 RR, 2006 CBR 1000 RR, 2008 Busa and my 2006 14. The way up was uneventful as for my pres didn't want to attract any unecessary attention. The way back a different story...
We waited until about the last 40 miles on some clear stretches of I-80 East before we dropped the hammer. The 600 and the GSX-R took off early and was doing their own thing. My pres stayed in the back on his CBR 1K to play chase while it was just me and the Busa left in the middle. Let the games begin...
Let me give you as many specs as possible before I tell the story
HIS 2008 BUSA:
-STOCK MOTOR
-CARBON FIBER FULL YOSH
-PC WITH DROP-IN MAP
-LIGHWEIGHT AFTERMARKET WHEELS
-AFTERMARKET REARSETS
-BMC RACE FILTER
-REGULAR 10-40 OIL
-93 PUMP GAS
-1000 MILES
-SHIFTS, THROTTLE RELEASING TO ENGAGE THE CLUTCH
-200 LB. GOOD RIDER WITH BOOKBAG OF CLOTHES ON HIS BACK
-A FEW OTHER INSIGNIFICANT MODS
MY 2006 14:
-STOCK MOTOR (2ND GUESSING THAT AFTER THIS WEEKEND, LOL)
-FULL STAINLESS MUZZY
-PC WITH DROP IN MAP
-FLIES OUT
-BMC RACE FILTER
-REGULAR 10-40 OIL
-89 PUMP GAS
-3700 MILES
-SHIFTS, WOT WHILE SNAPPING THE CLUTCH
-200 LB FAIRLY DECENT RIDER WITH FULL ROAD RACE LEATHERS
-30 LB TAILBAG
-10 LB TANK BAG
The weather was perfect. 85 without a cloud in the sky.
We got in the fast lane and I slowed him down in the and pointed to his bike and told him to drop down to second. We were side by side when I told him on three to launch. I counted down on my left hand and dropped the hammer after three. I put him behind me about five bike lengths. He was never even close.
I fugured I would give him two out of three to make it fair so we set up once again. This time I was sure he was awake and would be ready for me...NOT! This time I told him to leave first. He hit it and got about a half bike in front of me. I jumped dead on his ass. When I snatched third you would have thought I had turbo. This time I had about three bikes on him before traffic put us on the binders hard. We both are not necessarily Rickey Gadson but we are definitely not novices and I would have thought I would have had a better fight from the new Busa. I need to catch a few more out there to be certain. Til then I'm gonna celebrate, lol.
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Butta
Hot Commodities MC
Paterson, NJ
2006 Black ZX-14 - Recall Frame Swap, Full Muzzy GP Exhaust, PCIII, BMC Race Filter, Flies Out, Braided Front Brake & Cutch Lines, Muzzy's Radiator Fan, Engine Ice Coolant, Frame Sliders, SubFrame Sliders, Puig Dark Smoke Windscreen, Powerbronze Hugger, Cox Radiator Guard, Unswitched Powerlet Outlet under seat, Switched Powerlet Outlet On Right Duct Panel, Intergrated Tail Light, HID lights high and low beam, Blue corner marker lights, Eclipse License Plate Blackout Kit, Black Pazzo Levers, Scorpio Alarm, Lojack Theft Recovery System, Rapid Transit Triple Tree Bag, Cortech Tank, Tail & Saddle Bags and the bragging rights for being "The Fastest 14 In The Country" for a few weeks when the 14 made it's debut here in the states.
   
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street racer
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posted August 18, 2008 03:58 PM
Why do you seem surprised ?? The ZX14 can hold its own against any bike comparably modded.
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CrotchRocket
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posted August 18, 2008 04:54 PM
Nice going 
You should practice shifting without the clutch !!!...Doing so will put less wear and tear on the clutch, basket and shift forks than what you and your buddy are doing now!!!
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Hurricane
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posted August 18, 2008 05:10 PM
How did the guy on the Busa react? Any excuses?
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nydhags
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posted August 18, 2008 05:19 PM
Glad yall had a good time, Hit me up 4 the next run.
I'll be hitting some of those roads next month, hopefully.
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ninjanick
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posted August 18, 2008 09:42 PM
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butta4hc
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posted August 19, 2008 05:33 AM
quote:
Nice going
You should practice shifting without the clutch !!!...Doing so will put less wear and tear on the clutch, basket and shift forks than what you and your buddy are doing now!!!
I've heard this before. I have accidently banged a few gears without the clutch. Most of the time I will upshift and downshift under normal riding without the clutch. I just haven't gathered the nerve to intentionally bang gears at WOT. One day though, lol.
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Butta
Hot Commodities MC
Paterson, NJ
2006 Black ZX-14 - Recall Frame Swap, Full Muzzy GP Exhaust, PCIII, BMC Race Filter, Flies Out, Braided Front Brake & Cutch Lines, Muzzy's Radiator Fan, Engine Ice Coolant, Frame Sliders, SubFrame Sliders, Puig Dark Smoke Windscreen, Powerbronze Hugger, Cox Radiator Guard, Unswitched Powerlet Outlet under seat, Switched Powerlet Outlet On Right Duct Panel, Intergrated Tail Light, HID lights high and low beam, Blue corner marker lights, Eclipse License Plate Blackout Kit, Black Pazzo Levers, Scorpio Alarm, Lojack Theft Recovery System, Rapid Transit Triple Tree Bag, Cortech Tank, Tail & Saddle Bags and the bragging rights for being "The Fastest 14 In The Country" for a few weeks when the 14 made it's debut here in the states.
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butta4hc
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posted August 19, 2008 05:36 AM
quote:
How did the guy on the Busa react? Any excuses?
He said he had a hard time shifting hard with his aftermarket rearsets. He bought the bike and had the rearsets put on right from the dealership.
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Butta
Hot Commodities MC
Paterson, NJ
2006 Black ZX-14 - Recall Frame Swap, Full Muzzy GP Exhaust, PCIII, BMC Race Filter, Flies Out, Braided Front Brake & Cutch Lines, Muzzy's Radiator Fan, Engine Ice Coolant, Frame Sliders, SubFrame Sliders, Puig Dark Smoke Windscreen, Powerbronze Hugger, Cox Radiator Guard, Unswitched Powerlet Outlet under seat, Switched Powerlet Outlet On Right Duct Panel, Intergrated Tail Light, HID lights high and low beam, Blue corner marker lights, Eclipse License Plate Blackout Kit, Black Pazzo Levers, Scorpio Alarm, Lojack Theft Recovery System, Rapid Transit Triple Tree Bag, Cortech Tank, Tail & Saddle Bags and the bragging rights for being "The Fastest 14 In The Country" for a few weeks when the 14 made it's debut here in the states.
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butta4hc
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posted August 19, 2008 05:38 AM
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Glad yall had a good time, Hit me up 4 the next run.
I'll be hitting some of those roads next month, hopefully.
They are doing MLK M5 weekend next. I will meet them there because I'm working in Hampstead, MD during the week.
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Butta
Hot Commodities MC
Paterson, NJ
2006 Black ZX-14 - Recall Frame Swap, Full Muzzy GP Exhaust, PCIII, BMC Race Filter, Flies Out, Braided Front Brake & Cutch Lines, Muzzy's Radiator Fan, Engine Ice Coolant, Frame Sliders, SubFrame Sliders, Puig Dark Smoke Windscreen, Powerbronze Hugger, Cox Radiator Guard, Unswitched Powerlet Outlet under seat, Switched Powerlet Outlet On Right Duct Panel, Intergrated Tail Light, HID lights high and low beam, Blue corner marker lights, Eclipse License Plate Blackout Kit, Black Pazzo Levers, Scorpio Alarm, Lojack Theft Recovery System, Rapid Transit Triple Tree Bag, Cortech Tank, Tail & Saddle Bags and the bragging rights for being "The Fastest 14 In The Country" for a few weeks when the 14 made it's debut here in the states.
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted August 19, 2008 05:58 AM
Nice one Butta! That Kawi ram-air sure seems to be doing what they intended: winning races on the road, not the dyno. 
I try to upshift at WOT with the least amount of clutch possible but its a hit and miss sometimes... My light clutch changes are really fast, but not as fast as I've seen some guys do. My tranny is loosening up with every mile I put on it (6300 now) and its becoming easier and easier to clutchless shift but I still tend to grab a bit of clutch "just to make sure".
I see some of the Bikelander drag videos foot shifting and it just amazes me how they can reliably shift that fast without an ignition interrupt/ air shifter! I got work to do still...
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Muzzy M10/M14
PCIII w/ Muzzy map
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Superman T
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posted August 19, 2008 06:08 AM
butta4hc- Nice victories!!! Sounds like you had a good time and surrounded by cool friends. Got a couple of questions for ya. The tank and rear bag you have, have they scratched the paint at all? What brand are you sporting?
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dbeadling
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posted August 19, 2008 06:40 AM
the 06 stikes again.same results with mine. the 06 leaves them for dead. its a keeper....
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madboost
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posted August 19, 2008 11:53 AM
 Edited By: madboost on 19 Aug 2008 12:54
my 08 14 runs very respectable numbers and traps 150mph at the track, 4 of my friends have 08 busas, two that are the same weight trap the same or 1mph more at the track and the one that weights 140 unsuited traps 154.9mph on the same track same day as me. So either something wrong with your friends shifting or his bike....nice going though.
if the mods are teh same the bikes should be very close there shouldnt be much more then 1 lenght diffrence in a race.
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flyboy
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posted August 19, 2008 12:02 PM
Butta,
I think you and your friend would get a little more head protection if you pulled your helmets down a little lower.
Yeah the 14 is faster than that other bike--
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butta4hc
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posted August 19, 2008 12:34 PM
quote:
Nice one Butta! That Kawi ram-air sure seems to be doing what they intended: winning races on the road, not the dyno.
I try to upshift at WOT with the least amount of clutch possible but its a hit and miss sometimes... My light clutch changes are really fast, but not as fast as I've seen some guys do. My tranny is loosening up with every mile I put on it (6300 now) and its becoming easier and easier to clutchless shift but I still tend to grab a bit of clutch "just to make sure".
I see some of the Bikelander drag videos foot shifting and it just amazes me how they can reliably shift that fast without an ignition interrupt/ air shifter! I got work to do still...
I am the same way. I just blip the clutch. It's my "security blanket" until I am more confident with WOT clutchless shifting.
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Butta
Hot Commodities MC
Paterson, NJ
2006 Black ZX-14 - Recall Frame Swap, Full Muzzy GP Exhaust, PCIII, BMC Race Filter, Flies Out, Braided Front Brake & Cutch Lines, Muzzy's Radiator Fan, Engine Ice Coolant, Frame Sliders, SubFrame Sliders, Puig Dark Smoke Windscreen, Powerbronze Hugger, Cox Radiator Guard, Unswitched Powerlet Outlet under seat, Switched Powerlet Outlet On Right Duct Panel, Intergrated Tail Light, HID lights high and low beam, Blue corner marker lights, Eclipse License Plate Blackout Kit, Black Pazzo Levers, Scorpio Alarm, Lojack Theft Recovery System, Rapid Transit Triple Tree Bag, Cortech Tank, Tail & Saddle Bags and the bragging rights for being "The Fastest 14 In The Country" for a few weeks when the 14 made it's debut here in the states.
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butta4hc
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posted August 19, 2008 12:38 PM
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butta4hc- Nice victories!!! Sounds like you had a good time and surrounded by cool friends. Got a couple of questions for ya. The tank and rear bag you have, have they scratched the paint at all? What brand are you sporting?
The brand is Cortech. I have the saddle bags as well but haven't gone far enough on this bike to use them. Each bag has a soft pad on the bottom so that when it comes in contact with your paint there's no damage. The key is to make sure there is not dirt between them before you put them on. A little wax wipe down helps as well. Haven't had a paint issue yet.
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Butta
Hot Commodities MC
Paterson, NJ
2006 Black ZX-14 - Recall Frame Swap, Full Muzzy GP Exhaust, PCIII, BMC Race Filter, Flies Out, Braided Front Brake & Cutch Lines, Muzzy's Radiator Fan, Engine Ice Coolant, Frame Sliders, SubFrame Sliders, Puig Dark Smoke Windscreen, Powerbronze Hugger, Cox Radiator Guard, Unswitched Powerlet Outlet under seat, Switched Powerlet Outlet On Right Duct Panel, Intergrated Tail Light, HID lights high and low beam, Blue corner marker lights, Eclipse License Plate Blackout Kit, Black Pazzo Levers, Scorpio Alarm, Lojack Theft Recovery System, Rapid Transit Triple Tree Bag, Cortech Tank, Tail & Saddle Bags and the bragging rights for being "The Fastest 14 In The Country" for a few weeks when the 14 made it's debut here in the states.
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butta4hc
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posted August 19, 2008 12:48 PM
quote:
Butta,
I think you and your friend would get a little more head protection if you pulled your helmets down a little lower.
Yeah the 14 is faster than that other bike--
Speaking of head, I couldn't tuck as well because of the tank bag. That's funny you should mention pulling my helmet down because I'm always telling someone to pull theirs down, lol. I'm probably one of the safest guys in the sport bike community. I wear nothing but the best. The helmet goes on and stays strapped. Paid too much for it to fly off, lol. I know your bussin my chops...
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Butta
Hot Commodities MC
Paterson, NJ
2006 Black ZX-14 - Recall Frame Swap, Full Muzzy GP Exhaust, PCIII, BMC Race Filter, Flies Out, Braided Front Brake & Cutch Lines, Muzzy's Radiator Fan, Engine Ice Coolant, Frame Sliders, SubFrame Sliders, Puig Dark Smoke Windscreen, Powerbronze Hugger, Cox Radiator Guard, Unswitched Powerlet Outlet under seat, Switched Powerlet Outlet On Right Duct Panel, Intergrated Tail Light, HID lights high and low beam, Blue corner marker lights, Eclipse License Plate Blackout Kit, Black Pazzo Levers, Scorpio Alarm, Lojack Theft Recovery System, Rapid Transit Triple Tree Bag, Cortech Tank, Tail & Saddle Bags and the bragging rights for being "The Fastest 14 In The Country" for a few weeks when the 14 made it's debut here in the states.
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Hawkman
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posted August 19, 2008 03:46 PM
That's a nice helmet.
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smokehouse4444
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XX to ZX
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posted August 19, 2008 03:52 PM
I was gonna ask that question at some point. When I went to the track, the last couple of runs I just banged the shifter up at redline, no clutch. I was going to ask if that could hurt anything.
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port_angeles_ninja
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posted August 19, 2008 04:27 PM
All you have to do is put upward pressure on the shift lever before you are ready to shift. Then when you want to shift, back off the throttle slightly. It will pop into the next gear with zero effort and zero damage to the gearbox. Then you get right back on the throttle. Just backing off the throttle the slightest little bit will unload the transmission to where it will effortlessly slide into the next gear.
The amount of time that you are not at full throttle is very slight, maybe a hundreth of a second. This is a lot faster than using the clutch and doesn't put any stress on the gearbox. I don't know what others think about forcing the shift under load, but i wouldn't do it to my bike.
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madboost
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posted August 19, 2008 05:31 PM
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All you have to do is put upward pressure on the shift lever before you are ready to shift. Then when you want to shift, back off the throttle slightly. It will pop into the next gear with zero effort and zero damage to the gearbox. Then you get right back on the throttle. Just backing off the throttle the slightest little bit will unload the transmission to where it will effortlessly slide into the next gear.
The amount of time that you are not at full throttle is very slight, maybe a hundreth of a second. This is a lot faster than using the clutch and doesn't put any stress on the gearbox. I don't know what others think about forcing the shift under load, but i wouldn't do it to my bike.
yes youre correct thats the way these bikes are made to be shifted under hard acceleration,thats how i shifted my bike before i put the air shifter on it. I havent noticed any gains with airshifter at all my footshifting was pretty decent i guess. The only thing i like about my air shifter is the part where i dont have to worry about putting my feet back on the pegs after i launch.
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94z28 383,TH400,YSI,9",DFI and much more
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bigdtd
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posted August 19, 2008 07:48 PM
hey same helmet i got! i've got a black 06 14 only difference is a brocks pipe. way to kick butt!
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butta4hc
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posted August 20, 2008 06:17 AM
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hey same helmet i got! i've got a black 06 14 only difference is a brocks pipe. way to kick butt!
When I picked this helmet up, I had to open up the box because it was so light. Love this helmet. definitely one of my favorites.
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Butta
Hot Commodities MC
Paterson, NJ
2006 Black ZX-14 - Recall Frame Swap, Full Muzzy GP Exhaust, PCIII, BMC Race Filter, Flies Out, Braided Front Brake & Cutch Lines, Muzzy's Radiator Fan, Engine Ice Coolant, Frame Sliders, SubFrame Sliders, Puig Dark Smoke Windscreen, Powerbronze Hugger, Cox Radiator Guard, Unswitched Powerlet Outlet under seat, Switched Powerlet Outlet On Right Duct Panel, Intergrated Tail Light, HID lights high and low beam, Blue corner marker lights, Eclipse License Plate Blackout Kit, Black Pazzo Levers, Scorpio Alarm, Lojack Theft Recovery System, Rapid Transit Triple Tree Bag, Cortech Tank, Tail & Saddle Bags and the bragging rights for being "The Fastest 14 In The Country" for a few weeks when the 14 made it's debut here in the states.
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bigdtd
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posted August 20, 2008 04:07 PM
i had the shoei rf-1000 previously and the arai is a superior helmet for sure. the lightness, venting, and the way it stays still on your head at speed make it worth every penny. and its a monster. the guys at cycle gear got just one in and i snapped it up. they say they are having a hard time getting more. plus its nice to look good when you are kickin that busa butt.
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Fastest-14
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posted August 20, 2008 08:05 PM
What's up Butta, I was cking out what you were saying here in ref to you pulling your friend on his "08" Busa 3 and 5 bike lengths. I'm a "06 14 owner myself. I don't mean to bust your bubble or anything but the reason why you are pulling him like you are is because he can't ride/race. What I mean by that is, look below at your quote regarding shifting technique. That's the answer right there. Your friend is releasing his throttle to shift. He's killing all his momentum when he does this. I see it all the time. When racing, you never release the throttle at all because when you do, that's stopping your acceleration, no matter what you are doing with the clutch hand. Always keep your throttle WOT. Your buddy just hasn't learned how to use that throttle hand yet and I bet he's pulling the clutch in too far as well. All this will hurt him in a race. When your friend finally learns how to race, you will see the difference. Y'all may even end up trading places with you trailing him because stock for stock, the "08" Busa is suppose to be a little faster than the "06" 14. It has both more HP & Torque than the "06" 14. It depends on the rider as well but as I said earlier, with all things being equal with the riders, when he learns how to race, you won't be pulling him at all and definitly nobody will be pulling the other 3 -5 bikes, regardless of who wins.
[HIS 2008 BUSA:
-SHIFTS, THROTTLE RELEASING TO ENGAGE THE CLUTCH
-200 LB. GOOD RIDER WITH BOOKBAG OF CLOTHES ON HIS BACK
-A FEW OTHER INSIGNIFICANT MODS
MY 2006 14:
-SHIFTS, WOT WHILE SNAPPING THE CLUTCH
-200 LB FAIRLY DECENT RIDER WITH FULL ROAD RACE LEATHERS
-30 LB TAILBAG
-10 LB TANK BAG
I fugured I would give him two out of three to make it fair so we set up once again. This time I was sure he was awake and would be ready for me...NOT! This time I told him to leave first. He hit it and got about a half bike in front of me. I jumped dead on his ass. When I snatched third you would have thought I had turbo. This time I had about three bikes on him before traffic put us on the binders hard. We both are not necessarily Rickey Gadson but we are definitely not novices and I would have thought I would have had a better fight from the new Busa. I need to catch a few more out there to be certain. Til then I'm gonna celebrate, lol.
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