zx14durham
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posted August 06, 2008 10:44 AM
ZX14 Sidewinders, Any Problems
Has anyone had problems getting a particular brand of sidewinder to fit properly. Was there anything extra that needed to be done to install. Was there any gain from the previous pipe you had before the sidewinder.
  
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smokinzx14
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posted August 06, 2008 11:08 AM
Maybe this will help ...
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=30624
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madboost
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posted August 06, 2008 11:37 AM
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Maybe this will help ...
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=30624
smoking nice info! So looks like you only compared Muzzy to Brocks only in that thread.
Would of loved to see brocks vs ti force vs tsukigi, cuz those 3 are above all others.
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billeason
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posted August 06, 2008 02:21 PM
I don't know much about the tsukigi ex so i can't comment on it but the others you mention have nothing on any of the series Brock offer's. Fit ,finish and performance'' any one says differant hasn't had one period..... Bill...
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JohnnyRocketZX14
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posted August 06, 2008 04:52 PM
My recent upgrade to Brocks Sidewinder was a great move, Install was smooth, Sounds awesome, nothing but compliments on the looks. haven't noticed any real noticeable power gains but didn't expect one with stock engine, ( previous pipe was a M10 full system) i will find out soon at the dyno
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madboost
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posted August 06, 2008 06:12 PM
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I don't know much about the tsukigi ex so i can't comment on it but the others you mention have nothing on any of the series Brock offer's. Fit ,finish and performance'' any one says differant hasn't had one period..... Bill...
so let me get this straight, Tiforce dosent make good power? I wonder why HTP is sweeping up in True Street MIROCK series and others and their whole team is running tiforce along with Orientalexpress team?
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billeason
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posted August 06, 2008 06:53 PM
I never said ti doesn't make power,and most people can't begin to understand what goes into a ts bike. You could put a straight pipe on a header an make power with these motors. I made the statement about overall qaulityand service,try getting brocks type support with a ti,or any ex for that matter, I can sell you any ex you want but most are happiest on the brock... Bill
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zxbob
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posted August 06, 2008 07:43 PM
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Maybe this will help ...
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=30624
Bob
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madboost
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posted August 07, 2008 05:04 AM
 Edited By: madboost on 7 Aug 2008 06:07
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I never said ti doesn't make power,and most people can't begin to understand what goes into a ts bike. You could put a straight pipe on a header an make power with these motors. I made the statement about overall qaulityand service,try getting brocks type support with a ti,or any ex for that matter, I can sell you any ex you want but most are happiest on the brock... Bill
i can def see what you talking about brocks support, my bike is tuned with bazzaz ZFI so i have no such issue, like people that run PC3 would. Tsukigis customer support is the same as Tis....so i guess it all comes down to, what you want to do. But i think its safe to say that those 3 make the most power out of all the pipes made for zx14. Alot of my friends run brocks systems on their 08 busas, couldnt be happier very nice product indeed. I just see you mentioned quality and i really dont see a deference in Ti Force vs Brocks quality. My high mount system fit like a glove, all the welds are of very high quality and its titanium on top of all that.
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shane661
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posted August 07, 2008 05:10 AM
Edited By: shane661 on 7 Aug 2008 06:17
Smokin, I wonder what the a/f was when you ran the Brock's sidewinder vs. the street meg? The reason I am curious is because I am wondering if the street meg was running rich (or lean)? 4 mph in trap speed would take a LOT of hp...correct?
Nonetheless, 157 mph on motor is a lot.
Shane
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madboost
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posted August 07, 2008 05:20 AM
4mph probably like 8rwhp, i'm sure the bike went a little richer but sometimes they like to be 12.7-12.8 range and trap higher. Everybike is different so take that in consideration as well most guys see about 5rwhp gain switching from smeg to sidewinder but dont pick up anything. What you have to take in consideration is how light smokin is, 155 suited is pretty fucking light, 140 unsuited give or take a few. The lighter the bike+rider is the less hp it will take for it to gain MPH on the big end. So some of the heavier guys like 200+ might not see 4mph, some of them would be lucky to see 2. The main reason behind sidewinder i'm sure most people know is so you can lower your bike more, the lower you get the better your 60s get. Of course to achive that with sidewinder you need a different oil pan$$$$$
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94z28 383,TH400,YSI,9",DFI and much more
9.44@144 w 1.5060ft
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smokinzx14
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posted August 07, 2008 10:48 AM
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Smokin, I wonder what the a/f was when you ran the Brock's sidewinder vs. the street meg? The reason I am curious is because I am wondering if the street meg was running rich (or lean)? 4 mph in trap speed would take a LOT of hp...correct?
Nonetheless, 157 mph on motor is a lot.
Shane
Shawn i have one map for the smeg and one for the sidewinder both are race maps are set at 12.9
Keep in mind the even with the higher MPH of the sidewinder it ran the same ETs as the Smeg.....The sidewinder gives up a little low and mid power over the Smeg But pulls harder up top .... I went back to the Smeg because i like to turn right from time to time ... 
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