nczx14
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posted July 26, 2008 08:15 PM
Damn Y2K you sound like you know what you're talking about. lol
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Jim K
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posted July 26, 2008 08:35 PM
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I don't believe the explanation the dealer gave you!!
Excessive bearing clearance would allow the piston/rod assembly to travel farther up the cylinder. This is what was causing the piston to hit the head. Excessive carbon build up would always be squished away as the engine ran. There would not be enough of a build up carbon between the piston crown and the cylinder head to cause, "peening".
It was a bearing failure. A carbon build up is an excuse. The millions of times an hour that the piston passes over TDC will constantly keep the carbon "clearanced".
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bigdtd
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posted July 27, 2008 06:09 AM
let us know how it turns out. i would think if you had carbon buildup on one, you would have it on all pistons due to the same crappy gas going throught there.
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Y2KZX12R
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posted July 27, 2008 10:30 AM
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Damn Y2K you sound like you know what you're talking about. lol
Well thanks, I try to help. 
Just a side note... We get heads in all the time with the pistons/carbon hitting the head. Its more common than you might think.
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oncourse
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posted July 27, 2008 07:24 PM
Carbon, no way, I totally agree with the previous poster, it just does not happen. Yes the carbon is cleansed (kept in clearance) every time the engine is ran.
I am no bike tech, but have seen a lot of car engine failures, it's all the same. The furthest rod from the oil pump inlet will fail first, and it is due to a lack of lubrication, being any time the engine is subject to low or no oil pressure for any given time.
Whether, like someone else said the tech got busy doing something else (and this happens) and forgot to put the oil in is a possiblity. That is why I do everything myself, I do not trust just anyone to do stuff for me, especially my bike.
Again, carbon didn't do it, no wayyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Rob
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KZScott
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posted July 28, 2008 05:31 PM
 Edited By: KZScott on 28 Jul 2008 18:34
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I am no bike tech
Jim is(y2k).....and a damn good one. i would listen to him
call Competition CNC... you talk to Jim lol
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posted July 28, 2008 08:09 PM
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I am no bike tech
Jim is(y2k).....and a damn good one. i would listen to him
call Competition CNC... you talk to Jim lol
I was not going to say anything, just to see how much rope it took for him to hang himself.
Most here know Jim (Y2K) from " the internet zx12" when there was no aftermarket parts for the zx12
and we used Jims knowledge to kick much busa ass. If you want to challenge him in this game
you better know your stuff!
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trvkell
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posted August 11, 2008 12:39 PM
ZX14 engine failure
I bought my ZX14 on 6/19/2008 and my engine started making valvetrain noise. I took it in to the dealer within 5 days after buying the bike telling of the noise and they said it was normal. However I took it in 2 weeks later and the noise was louder and again they said it was normal, 2 weeks later I had the service tech listen and they set me up with an appointment for Aug 2, 2008. I took the bike in on 7/30/08 and droped it off and the noise was very loud. They said it was the timming chain tensioner and replaced it, went to pick it up this last saturday (8/9/08) however they said the noise was still there and didn't know what it was yet. To top it off when they replaced the timming chain tensioner they cratched the heck out of my paint and the ferring was missalined. As of today they have had my bike for 12 days with no resolution and I do not want the bike anymore. This bike was broke from the day it was delivered and when they find out what is wrong I will post a reply. I have contacted Kawasaki and told them I want a new bike or all my money back.
I have been a longtime Kawasaki rider, 23 years! My 2001 ZRX1200R has had no mechanical what so ever NONE!!!
I am disapointed in this ZX1400 it has to be a lemon!!
Travis
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busajack5
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posted August 11, 2008 02:57 PM
Edited By: busajack5 on 11 Aug 2008 16:01
You guys just keep listening to your dealers AHAHA they know less than you do. They are just there to collect the money. Carbon build up TEHE I have never heard such sheet in 50 yrs of wrenchin. How come this don't happen to every thing that has more than 30 thousand miles on it. The dealers are liars and the TECHs,( love that term) are all kids that listen to other kids BS.
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ratbyk
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posted August 11, 2008 03:28 PM
trvkell,
please keep us posted on the outcome of your problem. Not just the outcome but exactly what was wrong.
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nczx14
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posted August 11, 2008 03:39 PM
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You guys just keep listening to your dealers AHAHA they know less than you do. They are just there to collect the money. Carbon build up TEHE I have never heard such sheet in 50 yrs of wrenchin. How come this don't happen to every thing that has more than 30 thousand miles on it. The dealers are liars and the TECHs,( love that term) are all kids that listen to other kids BS.
At some point in your life I bet you were one of those "Kids" too.
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trvkell
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posted August 11, 2008 08:37 PM
ZX1400 engine failure issue found
Ok here goes the whole mess.
They replaced the timming chain tensioner for nothing, the entire engine is gone.
I posted that I heard valvetrain noise well guess what, the clip the holds the wristpin in place worked its way out. It scoured the cyl wall and piston (Number 3) and was slapping around in the chamber. The number one cyl had bad valve that had been leaking. The damaged caused by the wristpin and piston destroyed the piston and connecting rod, this in turn caused damage to the crank shaft being that all the peices from the piston fell to the bottom and finished the job on the bottom end.
I was talking to the Kawasaki company prior to the certified mechanic called and told me this information. Here is how Kawasaki replied to me be before knowing this information, Kawasaki will fix the bike because it is under warranty. They do not and will not replace the bike or the complete engine and will only replace the damaged parts. Now knowing what has happend and knowing that a major engine failure results in other failures in other locations of the motor will result in future problems with the reliabilty of that motor. I have had this bike for around 5 to 6 weeks before it took a crap, I told them I want a new motor they said no, I told them I want a new bike they said no. Kawasaki wants to put the screws to the very people who have supported their products and are working very hard to kill their own reputation.
I know that every now and then a company will have products that fail no matter how well a majority of them may perform and last. But to basicly say that the flagship bike of the company is nothing other than scrap metal is saying they have no faith in their own product. Just to give you an idea the "Tech" (LOL) said they would do their best to talk Kawasaki into giving me a new bike or motor, even the shop knows this bike is junk.
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ratbyk
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posted August 11, 2008 08:52 PM
Travis, bad news, sorry to hear. I know it is expensive but!!! At this point in the game you can likely still buy the extended warranty. I would do it! Maybe after the 3rd-4th time Kawi has had to spend big $ to repair the engine with the anticipated future failures under warranty they might break down and pop for a new complete engine for you.
Got any relatives who are lawyers? Different laws for different states/provinces. Maybe you are in one that has a lemon law?
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trvkell
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posted August 12, 2008 04:48 PM
Here is the kicker
Just another added comment to the troubles with Kawasaki.
Ok they now know the engine is toasted, they are replacing most of the parts IE: New halves (pistons, rods & cyl's).
The shop recommened that the head be replaced because of the faulty valve and damage done by the wristpin retainer clip.
Guess what Kawasaki said to them?
Replace the valve stem seal not the head.
I have contacted a Firm that deals in the Lemon laws for California, I will find out about that in a day or so.
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smokinzx14
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posted August 12, 2008 05:08 PM
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Just another added comment to the troubles with Kawasaki.
Ok they now know the engine is toasted, they are replacing most of the parts IE: New halves (pistons, rods & cyl's).
The shop recommened that the head be replaced because of the faulty valve and damage done by the wristpin retainer clip.
Guess what Kawasaki said to them?
Replace the valve stem seal not the head.
I have contacted a Firm that deals in the Lemon laws for California, I will find out about that in a day or so.
Travis
Travis that sucks ...I'm with you , i would want a new head !!! ...I have about 800 1/4 miles runs on my bike and if the motor takes a dump i would have no problem eating the repairs .... In your case NO way would i stand for repairs like that on a brand new bike !!!! Get a Lawyer and make some noise !!! I would also send this thread ( link) to mother Kawi so they can see first hand what bad press does for them ..
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lietoome
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posted August 13, 2008 12:22 AM
If Kawi ever did me like that, I'd NEVER buy another Kawi.
Definitely get you a good lawyer.
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ninja12
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posted August 13, 2008 12:33 PM
Money is tight everywhere, all the big companys are cutting warantee repairs.
They will feel it when new sales drop because of these bad decisions.
Good luck.
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posted August 13, 2008 02:02 PM
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Just another added comment to the troubles with Kawasaki.
Travis
Travis that sucks ...I'm with you , i would want a new head !!! ...I have about 800 1/4 miles runs on my bike and if the motor takes a dump i would have no problem eating the repairs .... In your case NO way would i stand for repairs like that on a brand new bike !!!! Get a Lawyer and make some noise !!!
I would also send this thread ( link) to mother Kawi so they can see first hand
what bad press does for them ..
Your right Smokin, Thats why I say, THE POWER OF THE INTERNET will get thwe word out , It will catch up with ya sooner or later
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trvkell
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posted August 13, 2008 09:15 PM
ZX14 engine problem
Just wanted to share with all of you that I did send Kawasaki the link to this site.
I have not heard one word from them.
Oh more bad new on my bike, the transmission is also gone.
All I can say is "Whats Next"
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ninja12
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posted August 14, 2008 05:55 AM
Sounds like you got a lemon for sure.
Bet you hope that bike gets run over while at the shop, or falls off the lift and breaks the frame.
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted August 14, 2008 06:28 AM
Damn... I gotta ask the guys on here who have alot of experiences with brand new bikes: Is all they issues with Kawi quality "normal"? I've always owned second hand bikes because I never had, or was willing to spend, the $$$ for a new bike. First new bike was my 14!
This is the kind of thing that makes me look twice at the 'Busa, or at least at only buying bikes that are already 'broken in' and defects found by someone else........
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07zx14blk
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posted August 14, 2008 07:04 AM
Edited By: 07zx14blk on 14 Aug 2008 08:05
I have purchased a new Kaw every two years for the last 15 or so years and in all honesty the first one that I have ever had an issue with has been my 07 ZX14. When I say issue I am referring to the recall, which for me was relatively painless.
If I compare this to some of the cars I have owned in the past… particularly a 2000 Ford Windstar my wife purchased, the build quality of Kawasaki Bikes is nothing short of exceptional. But like anything when you are building thousands of them of them a few Friday specials are bound to slip threw.
I agree you should push hard for a new engine, most people will do the right thing “when they are persuaded it is in there best interest or they don’t have a choice”.
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1badzx12r
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posted August 14, 2008 07:20 AM
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, or falls off the lift and breaks the frame.
KHI would only replace the frame ...under warranty of course....
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smokinzx14
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posted August 14, 2008 07:21 AM
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Damn... I gotta ask the guys on here who have alot of experiences with brand new bikes: Is all they issues with Kawi quality "normal"? I've always owned second hand bikes because I never had, or was willing to spend, the $$$ for a new bike. First new bike was my 14!
This is the kind of thing that makes me look twice at the 'Busa, or at least at only buying bikes that are already 'broken in' and defects found by someone else........
I would not worry Sticks .........Sticks the 08 Busa is far from trouble free ...
A little reading for you > http://www.hayabusa.org/forums/?act=ST;f=77;t=86538
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07zx14blk
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posted August 14, 2008 08:08 AM
Smokin…
That was an excellent thread http://www.hayabusa.org/forums/?act=ST;f=77;t=86538
It really does put things a little more in perspective… All those shifting problems and false neutrals would drive me insane (not to say a good break in period or a minor tweak would not fix it).
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