StrokedOutZX14
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posted July 05, 2008 03:18 PM
Mapping, Popping & Rich/Lean
2007 14 with Muzzy M10, K&N Filter, Power Commander 3, Ignition Module, and Secondary Butterflies removed. The best map that looked good was muzzy full exhaust, stock air filter, secondary's removed, Since I don't have a stock filter, I raised the fuel bars one notch up on the pc3. Anyone know of a better map I could be using. This one seems fine, no hesitation and instant response. We all look for that 1 or 2 hp tho lol.
Second, can I make the pop go away, Only does it when i roll off the throttle and never when i roll on. the on and off transition is smooth and great other then the blue flame and a pop. I've seen plenty of other 14's do it. I don't have any exhaust leaks that I know of which could suck air and cause a pop. Is there a pump spraying air into the box or head directly that is causing this.
Third, Now that i removed the flies, and have a flies removed map, and raise the fuel a little on the pc3, does this cure any lean condition i might ac-cure at low rpm 's
Sorry for the ?'s I've been riding awhile but I usually don't keep a bike long enough to really do a lot to it. Just had my first child at 35 and probably keep my new 14 at least 5 years so I sank a little money into it and never had to worry about rich/lean conditions until now so i learn as i go and ask ?'s from people that have the same vehicle's
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07 ZX14 Stroked to 1530cc
Muzzy 5mm Stroker Crank, 86mm JE Pistons, Carillo Connecting Rods, Muzzy Billet Cams, Muzzy Valve Springs, Rings, Pins, Clips.
Muzzy M10 Exhaust
K&N Air Filter
Power Commander 3 With Ignition Module.
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countersteer
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posted July 05, 2008 03:20 PM
it would be most beneficial if you got it dyno tuned.
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Scott
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2006 ZX-14, 2003 ZX-12R
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StrokedOutZX14
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posted July 05, 2008 03:47 PM
 Edited By: StrokedOutZX14 on 5 Jul 2008 16:50
    
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07 ZX14 Stroked to 1530cc
Muzzy 5mm Stroker Crank, 86mm JE Pistons, Carillo Connecting Rods, Muzzy Billet Cams, Muzzy Valve Springs, Rings, Pins, Clips.
Muzzy M10 Exhaust
K&N Air Filter
Power Commander 3 With Ignition Module.
Secondaries Removed
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dcjens
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Wet side of Washington
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posted July 05, 2008 04:29 PM
mine pops now with the exhaust. what about the PAIR valve anybody know? should it be blocket off?
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bigdtd
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posted July 05, 2008 04:52 PM
the popping on decel is normal, but is reduced with the reduction of air leaks. i like my pops but if they really bother you they make a tre made specifically for flies out that addresses the issue. raptor has posted about it and i think if you look on brock's site they sell one. the pipe looks good.
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butta4hc
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posted July 05, 2008 08:36 PM
Same issue. I have a Muzzy's full exhaust, PC and a BMC race filter. I got that generic map off the Dynojet site and I get that pop on decel. I'm looking into a dyno tune more than likely. While it runs strong through all rpm's I'm not too fond of the big bang on decel either.
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Butta
Hot Commodities MC
Paterson, NJ
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drewzx-14
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posted July 05, 2008 09:08 PM
I have the decel pop as well, but you know what it doesnt occur frequently. It is mostly once in awhile. I have been trying to make it pop by accelerating hard and then decelerating but it doesn't pop. It happens between second and third gear if it does, but the pop isn't even loud enough to bother me. Although I haven't had much trouble, I still seek to dyno tune my motorcycle as well. Just like countersteer suggested, I second that one.
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KZScott
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posted July 05, 2008 09:21 PM
get a set of block off plates
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ratbyk
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posted July 06, 2008 07:27 AM
To reduce pop on decel I blocked off the hose running across the top of the motor.. It runs from the air box into a distribution gizmo where it feeds into the outgoing exhaust. It is supposed to provide fresh air (oxygen) into the exhaust to burn up any unburned hydrocarbons. I simply cut it with a knife then blocked both entrances with a wooden plug. (dowel) It did not remove the popping completely but did reduce it a bunch.
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bigdtd
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posted July 06, 2008 08:41 AM
this is what i was talking about. i don't use one but if the pop bothers you check it out.
http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/brockracing/-strse-1046/Timing-Retard-Eliminator-ZX-dsh-14/Detail
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FasterThanStink
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posted July 06, 2008 12:23 PM
http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/brockracing/-strse-1046/Timing-Retard-Eliminator-ZX-dsh-14/Detail
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drewzx-14
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posted July 06, 2008 12:37 PM
i really don't like the idea of losing the gear indicator.
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NCZX14
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posted July 06, 2008 01:38 PM
Try a set of these. http://www.muzzys.com/block-off_plates
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bigdtd
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posted July 06, 2008 03:03 PM
let me know how they work
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bigdtd
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posted July 30, 2008 03:54 PM
another setup post, then a signature added with some major changes, just doesn't look good...not that i care
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kawabonzai
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posted July 30, 2008 04:05 PM
Exactly where do the block-off plates go?
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NinjaofDoom
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posted July 30, 2008 04:19 PM
I wondered if the muzzy map would work. I have the full system/pc3/BMC race filter and they sne tme the full system/flies out map. I emailed them back and asked if i needed one that also took the air filter into acount. Their reply was that there was little difference and the map for all that and the stock AF would be fine.....
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wrongway
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posted July 30, 2008 07:58 PM
the ecu shuts off fuel when the throttle position sensor goes to zero. This is easy to see with a data logger. i am guessing that you can move the TPS to a higher value and eliminate the pop on decel.
if the fuel is shut off and the dwell time is 0 , a power commander is not going to change that. even a 100% more is still 0. so going to a tps position higher than 0 may actually send some fuel to the injectors and then the power commander can adjust the amount.
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stevewfl
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posted July 30, 2008 08:53 PM
we needed one more decel pop thread 
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bigdtd
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posted July 31, 2008 04:21 PM
steve read the description in the first line of the post it contradicts the signature that was the point you post whore
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