JR
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posted August 21, 2009 06:55 PM
shane keep up the good work that bike is moving at 218 pounds wow. shane do you have a good map you could email me im having truble finding a good map . for a 07 full muzzy flys removed knn filter and pro volacity stacks . thanks love the threat shane keep the good work going.
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Shane661
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posted August 22, 2009 05:52 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 22 Aug 2009 15:51
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shane keep up the good work that bike is moving at 218 pounds wow. shane do you have a good map you could email me im having truble finding a good map . for a 07 full muzzy flys removed knn filter and pro volacity stacks . thanks love the threat shane keep the good work going.
Thanks. Getting weight off of the bike really helped it to move. I'm anxious to see what 30 degree cooler temps will bring! I'm sorry, but I don't have a map for that setup. In fact, my current map is not quite right!
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posted August 22, 2009 07:26 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 22 Aug 2009 15:50
It's been about 11 months since I replaced the clutch, so I figured it would be a good time to inspect it. I hot lapped it pretty good the other day, sometimes 3 passes in less than 8 minutes...I wanted to see how it held up.
Clutch Inspection
150+ Dragstrip Passes
50+ LSR Passes
Around 1000 total miles
Cover Removed:
Backside of Pressure Plate:
Outer Friction:
All Frictions:
All Steels:
Basically, it's in great shape. It measures within spec, but total height is on the low end of the service spec. I am probably going to replace it, and keep it as my spare at the track. I'd rather replace the clutch in the garage now, than to have to waste track time should it start slipping on me. I'm going to make a few more measurements before I decide.
One small area to watch out for. I noticed that one of the Brock's spacers had been eaten up a little by the spring:
I'll clean it up a little with a file. I have some heavier springs, spacer washers, and a spring tester. I'll probably play with the setup over the winter. The 14 clutch springs use bolts and washers, but I really prefer the spring cups that are used on the Busa. Perhaps I will be able to switch over to a setup like that.
Shane
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JR
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posted August 22, 2009 02:37 PM
shane what are the spacers and spring tester for what do they do. i know the heavier springs are for feel and it help you release the clutch a little faster. i have stock clutch set up. do you recommend me to put a set up like ur?
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sliders, full 2brother exhaust.
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Shane661
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posted August 22, 2009 02:44 PM
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shane what are the spacers and spring tester for what do they do. i know the heavier springs are for feel and it help you release the clutch a little faster. i have stock clutch set up. do you recommend me to put a set up like ur?
The spring tester will allow me to measure different spring pressures and heights in order to fine tune my clutch setup using thin washers. The Brock's spring spacers I have are to increase spring pressure, much like a heavier spring.
If you are heavy, I would give the Brock spacers a try. The stock clutch setup is very good, and it is adequate as-is in most cases. But the firmer springs or spacers can give it a more precise "feel", which is my preference.
Shane
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JR
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posted August 22, 2009 02:57 PM
fine tune the clutch how do you know when it is right . i get it to get that feel of the clutch when releasing. stock feels a little soft with no feel. im about 200 - 210 . okay im gonna order some spacers what springs are good or should i just go with a brock set up. thanks shane ive learn so much reading ur thread.
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sliders, full 2brother exhaust.
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posted August 22, 2009 03:02 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 23 Aug 2009 00:00
quote:
fine tune the clutch how do you know when it is right . i get it to get that feel of the clutch when releasing. stock feels a little soft with no feel. im about 200 - 210 . okay im gonna order some spacers what springs are good or should i just go with a brock set up. thanks shane ive learn so much reading ur thread.
The spring spacers will work great with stock springs.
Knowing it's "right" is just about personal preference. If it isn't slipping, you are just changing the feel and control to what suits you best. If you get it too stiff you will likely have trouble modulating it and either get wheelies, or burn it up slipping it to try to avoid them.
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JR
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posted August 22, 2009 04:05 PM
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fine tune the clutch how do you know when it is right . i get it to get that feel of the clutch when releasing. stock feels a little soft with no feel. im about 200 - 210 . okay im gonna order some spacers what springs are good or should i just go with a brock set up. thanks shane ive learn so much reading ur thread.
The spring spacers will work great with stock springs.
Knowing it's "right" is just about personal preference. If it isn't slipping, you are just changing the feel and control to what suits you best. If you get it too stiff you will likely have trouble modulating it and either get wheelies, or burn it up slipping it to try to avoid them.
thanks im gonna give it a shot
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windshiel, carbon fiber frame
sliders, full 2brother exhaust.
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JR
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posted August 27, 2009 08:50 AM
shane quick guestion you think some pro volacity stacks would help the short ones. also i notice some slipping down the track around third and up a mechanic told me i need some clutch springs to solve that problem. would the spacer do the job for me ? like the bike is moving its when it goes into gear its not gripping to good . but im moving off the line.
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sliders, full 2brother exhaust.
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posted August 27, 2009 08:57 AM
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shane quick guestion you think some pro volacity stacks would help the short ones. also i notice some slipping down the track around third and up a mechanic told me i need some clutch springs to solve that problem. would the spacer do the job for me ? like the bike is moving its when it goes into gear its not gripping to good . but im moving off the line.
I wouldn't mess with the Velocity Stacks right now. The stock setup is very good through the midrange, where you need it for launching the bike.
The spring spacers will work fine with stock springs. You need to make sure your clutch is in good shape first, though. Unless you are very heavy, the stock setup should not be slipping...unless you are getting it really hot by holding onto the clutch too long when you launch.
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JR
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posted August 27, 2009 03:47 PM
shane im in the process of ordering the spacers. is their any special way to put them in? also when i put them in how tight should i put them . i got that problem of over tighting screws lol
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posted August 27, 2009 04:00 PM
You can remove each spring one at a time. The spacer goes on top of the spring, and under the washer. The bolts do not need a lot of torque applied. I suggest you get a service manual, and a torque wrench that measures in inch lbs. The torque wrench will allow you to tighten each bolt very precisely, and the service manual will tell you how much to tighten them.
Personally, I just snug them down a little. The spring itself provides most of the preload on the bolt threads.
Shane
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JR
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posted August 27, 2009 04:13 PM
thanks
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posted August 27, 2009 04:25 PM
Shane my spacers did the same thing. Now I use a 7/8" aluminum bicycle seatpost to make them out of for the top side of the springs and I make ones out of 1/2"aluminum electrical conduit for under the springs with the lockup. I like them in the bottom of the pressure plate when going on and off with the lockup because you dont have to guide them in under the snowflake.
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posted August 29, 2009 04:13 AM
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Shane my spacers did the same thing. Now I use a 7/8" aluminum bicycle seatpost to make them out of for the top side of the springs and I make ones out of 1/2"aluminum electrical conduit for under the springs with the lockup. I like them in the bottom of the pressure plate when going on and off with the lockup because you dont have to guide them in under the snowflake.
I am thinking of switching back to the Barnett heavy springs sometime soon. I think I can avoid the spacers altogether with those. I also still want to experiment with the lock up, for mph purposes.
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posted August 29, 2009 04:18 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 29 Aug 2009 15:18
A friend of mine posted this picture in another forum. From the Loring, ME event, at speed:
I had picked up a set of smaller Joe Rocket leathers, because my old AGV Sport ones were really flapping in the breeze. The Joe Rocket's really helped me get out of the wind. Being 6'+ in height, and 215+ lbs. suited, I am very happy to get even that small on the bike. Plenty of improvements to be made to bike and rider aero's, but I think I'm headed in the right direction, leathers-wise. 
It's also pretty amazing to see just how much the leathers "puff up" at speed.
Pictures, video, audio, etc...all provide great feedback. I highly recommend getting all of the data you can from your runs. The big piece of this puzzle is a data logger, and I am hoping to have mine installed by October.
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posted August 29, 2009 07:21 AM
That's a cool picture Shane!
Those leathers do fit much better than your old ones.
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posted August 29, 2009 07:26 AM
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That's a cool picture Shane!
Those leathers do fit much better than your old ones.
Thanks! Look at all of the extra cow flapping around with the old ones:
The new ones fit pretty good and tight to me. One day I'd like to try a custom-fitted suit.
Shane
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posted September 01, 2009 06:39 AM
Bike looks sweet,might change the color of mine again thought about trading my green and black for all silver.
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posted September 01, 2009 06:51 AM
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Bike looks sweet,might change the color of mine again thought about trading my green and black for all silver.
Thanks. It's a pretty basic looking machine, but I like the ability to touch up major parts for $3 in paint. 
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posted September 01, 2009 08:43 AM
That's true!!
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posted September 03, 2009 02:25 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 3 Sep 2009 22:26
A little project today. I've taken 18 lbs. off of the front of the bike, so it is pretty light up there. I am not real big on adding ballast, but I decided to make an exception. The axle is probably one of the best places to add weight, since it is so far forward and low.
I purchased a small lead furnace, and filled a spare axle:
Supplies:
Stock axle weighed:
Filled with lead:
A little over one pound heavier. I know, it isn't much. But put that 1 lb. on the end of a 64" lever, and then see how heavy it feels...probably more than you would think.
I also went up a tooth on my rear sprocket, which shortened my wheelbase by about .15 inch. My gearing is now 17/46.
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posted September 03, 2009 03:18 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 3 Sep 2009 23:18
Surprise!:
I filled a 2nd axle, to see if I could improve the process. I must have let the lead cool in the first, creating a void. This axle is almost 6 oz. heavier. Nice!
Shane
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posted September 03, 2009 03:47 PM
Shane,
where did you get the goods ?
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posted September 03, 2009 03:49 PM
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Shane,
where did you get the goods ?
A local gun shop. They sell the stuff on Ebay as well. Everything ran me about $100.
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