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posted July 24, 2009 09:56 AM
Why did you shorten the wheel base?
  
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Shane661
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posted July 24, 2009 09:59 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 24 Jul 2009 18:03
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Why did you shorten the wheel base?
Two reasons:
1) There is no traction at an LSR venue, and the long wheelbase is a problem in the lower gears. If this were a dedicated LSR bike I would shorten it even more.
2) The 40T sprocket would have kicked the wheelbase out to the very end, or beyond the range of adjustability of the arm. A 5 tooth difference affects wheelbase significantly.
I will be putting the bike back to 64.25" when I return from Maine.
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Shane661
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posted July 24, 2009 10:03 AM
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happy birthday Shane
see you in Maine.
Thanks Todd. I'll definitely be taking a back seat to your nitrous bike in Maine. 1.5 miles begs for hp, and I'm afraid I don't have a whole lot. 
HP vs. aeros...it's that simple when given the room to run.
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posted July 24, 2009 10:03 AM
Happy B-Day !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
welcome in the 4.0 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
the next 4.0 are waiting !!!!!!!!!!!!
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LAB3
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posted July 24, 2009 10:24 AM
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Why did you shorten the wheel base?
Two reasons:
1) There is no traction at an LSR venue, and the long wheelbase is a problem in the lower gears. If this were a dedicated LSR bike I would shorten it even more.
2) The 40T sprocket would have kicked the wheelbase out to the very end, or beyond the range of adjustability of the arm. A 5 tooth difference affects wheelbase significantly.
I will be putting the bike back to 64.25" when I return from Maine.
I knew about the sprocket /chain and moving the the wheel base been, there
done that. And I saw your master link with the glue on it :-) I still have not mounted your old Spencer Cycle swing arm ext. yet. Your stock 14 wheels are polished now for a back up.
Having too much fun going to the Ozark Mountains and riding in the turns. My chicken
strips are getting smaller. Before the summer is gone I will lower and go to 64"
Wheelie is going to help me with the Bazzaz I got from Lyle, I just wanted to play with
it and see what A/F is when I am in the Mountains. It is running rich in the Mountains.
Oh Happy Birthday.I am 58 and still Love Fast Bikes and Corvette's. Use it or loose it.
Look at Lee or Pee Wee Gleason or Wee age is someting the 20 year olds laugh at.
And don't understand you are not Dead yet. :-) Hope you hit 200.
Louis
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Shane661
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posted July 24, 2009 12:06 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 24 Jul 2009 20:14
I installed the Factory Pro "race" stacks this afternoon. This has been covered by someone else in a thread awhile back, so I am just going to offer a few tips/suggestions.
First, why install stacks? What do they do? In a nutshell, they optimize the length of the intake tract for a certain rpm range. The don't really add much power, they just move it around. Compared to a stock, street driven bike, I operate in a higher rpm band. By fitting shorter velocity stacks I hope to get better performance in the upper rpm range.
In order to install them you will need to remove some body panels, the fuel tank, the inspection plates, and of course the old stacks.
Old vs. New:
You can see the new parts are quite a bit shorter. There are other areas these aftermarket pieces can probably be improved, but I simply don't have the time nor tools to work with them right now. Maybe I will mess with them some more this winter.
I lubricated each stack slightly with WD40 so that they would slide onto the frame easily. I pressed flat down on each stack and they inserted with an audible "pop". It is important to make sure that they are sealed to the airbox/frame.
When you install the clamps on the rubber boots, I suggest you stagger them like so:
This way you can tighten the inner clamps without having to remove the front ones.
Installed:
Total install time was 40 minutes, including removing the body panels and tank, but not including re-assembling the bike. I feel confident that someone familiar with the ZX-14 can do this job, start to finish, in about 1 hour.
I am hoping to get the bike on the dyno before heading to Maine. We'll see how it goes.
Shane
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JR
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posted July 24, 2009 07:06 PM
thanks for the info looks like a easy job should be getting mines soon. i was gonna pay some one to install them but it looks real easy with ur guide keep up the good work.
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posted July 24, 2009 07:20 PM
Happy Birthday Shane!  Have a couple for me!
Hope you get to join the 200 MPH club with your ZX-14. 
Be safe and have fun!
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Shane661
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posted July 25, 2009 01:49 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 26 Jul 2009 00:50
I got the bike on the dyno today:
Setup:
No Air Filter
Factory Pro Short Velocity Stacks
Brock exhaust with Area P Carbon Megaphone (2.25" Baffle)
Kleen Air Removed
MR9 Fuel (no more than 10% pump fuel)
Honda 10w40 Conventional Oil
Brock 200 Maxton Map
It was hot and humid today, so combined with the slightly diluted MR9, I expected the bike to run a little rich. It did. I am happy with that since I am taking it to Loring which has cool temps and elevation very near sea level.
Here is a comparison to what the bike ran a couple of months back, on pump fuel:
The bike was getting hot on the dyno; I believe that 183 is actually the lowest # it pulled today. I was not surprised to see this, since I know the bike loses mph at the track when it gets hot. But I wanted to compare the the torque curves with the new stacks. You can definitely see the shift in the curve. It is what I wanted for LSR, but it may affect me at the dragstrip.
Here is the best pull, which was made in 5th gear, after the bike had time to cool:
186 hp. Pretty good considering it was running rich. After the Loring event I will take some time to have it tuned properly. But I like the way things look for now. The map should be plenty safe for the 1.5 mile runs.
Shane
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Shane661
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posted July 25, 2009 03:09 PM
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thanks for the info looks like a easy job should be getting mines soon. i was gonna pay some one to install them but it looks real easy with ur guide keep up the good work.
I would say that if you were initially hesistant to do it yourself, you should allow a couple of hours for the job. I have had my bike apart many times, so it went quickly and smoothly for me.
Shane
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posted July 25, 2009 05:57 PM
How much of that gain was MR9 ? or the stacks ?
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Shane661
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posted July 25, 2009 06:02 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 26 Jul 2009 02:05
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How much of that gain was MR9 ? or the stacks ?
Since it is not fully tuned, I am not really concerned at this point. There are too many variables to figure it. Since I don't know what the a/f was on pump, it can never be an apples to apples comparison. Later, when I have time, I might dyno the bike again on pump with the street map, as before, but with the stacks. The stacks did do what I wanted by shifting the power, as can be seen by the shape of the torque curves.
My best guess is that most of that peak power is from the fuel. Stacks are a very fine tuning sort of thing, and I wouldn't expect a whole lot of hp from them.
Shane
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LAB3
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posted July 25, 2009 06:09 PM
On a Super Flow Eddy Current dyno we did not see a HP gain in 5th fear over 6th?
Hope you had a Good Birthday.
Louis
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Shane661
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posted July 25, 2009 06:14 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 26 Jul 2009 02:16
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On a Super Flow Eddy Current dyno we did not see a HP gain in 5th fear over 6th?
Hope you had a Good Birthday.
Louis
I don't believe any significant gain/loss would be seen. Overall ratios weren't too far off because I have changed the gearing to a taller 5th. I couldn't dyno it in 6th, as before, because the gearing exceeds the capability of the dyno.
The dyno is just a measuring tool, and I am comfortable with what I am seeing. Particularly as related to the shape of the powerband. The ultimate test is at the track, and there is still plenty of tuning to be done.
Shane
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posted July 26, 2009 02:54 AM
Edited By: CajunBoyz on 26 Jul 2009 10:56
Happy belated 40th birthday Shane... I'm 48, & we do the LSR thing about every week ???.
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posted July 26, 2009 03:43 AM
Happy Birthday Shane!!!
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Shane661
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posted July 26, 2009 09:49 AM
Thanks for the birthday wishes. I seem to be getting faster with age.
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posted July 26, 2009 07:06 PM
I know you have heard it a million times already, but dang your bike looks good !
Happy B-lated Birthday
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posted July 27, 2009 11:46 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 27 Jul 2009 19:48
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I know you have heard it a million times already, but dang your bike looks good !
Happy B-lated Birthday
- Zack
Thanks Zack. I hope that with some more seat time I can come closer to your #'s at Maxton. I just don't know if I can get out of the wind enough! I've got another 5.5 mph to go...and that is a looooong ways!
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posted July 28, 2009 12:22 PM
Happy Belated Birthday, Shane.
Best of luck at Loring, 200+mph is at your fingertips!!
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Shane661
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posted July 28, 2009 04:43 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 29 Jul 2009 02:40
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Happy Belated Birthday, Shane.
Best of luck at Loring, 200+mph is at your fingertips!!
I like your optimism.
One more dyno chart. I examined my runs with Winpep 7. These two runs are done with a very similar gear ratio. Based on what I am seeing, the gear ratio does affect the dyno numbers to some degree.
Again, just to illustrate the shift in the torque band from the stacks...and the difference in power at approximately 200 mph with my current gearing. Keep in mind the switch to MR9 and the map change as well. As stated, the MR9 is likely responsible for most of the hp increase.
Shane
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posted July 29, 2009 06:18 PM
Shane - Tell me if you see anything at the track on those stacks - I have the street stacks in mine and just ordered the race stacks....... I am going to have the bike tuned again and then I will need to start the aqusition thing back up and playing with it.... I also just got some adjustable links and I will try to take the rear as low as it will go with the clearance on the tiger tail.... in hopes of getting a little bit more in the 330 times.
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posted July 29, 2009 06:20 PM
BTW - Good luck up there in Maine...... stay safe and make good use of that "A" license.
Kevin
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posted August 01, 2009 04:28 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 2 Aug 2009 00:33
Just a quick update from Loring. One licensing pass today, and one full pass into a head/crosswind.
My licensing pass was made with a target of 175 mph. Well, based on my gearing calc and just reading the tach, I was pretty close:
Here is the result of the full pass:
Check out the handwritten slip! This track is amazing; I am so glad that we made the trip. I also think if the winds improve tomorrow, I may have a shot at 200 mph.
But the best news of the day was with Racheal. She made one full pass into the wind at 204 mph. Since this is a first event, she was able to grab the record. Well, that makes her the first woman into the Loring 200 MPH Club. Pretty cool, huh? 
We'll both be looking to better our #'s in the morning, and hopefully I can get some pictures of the track and things.
Shane
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posted August 01, 2009 06:55 PM
Awsome stuff , I have a dream of getting a 200MPH ticket on Lake Gardiner in
South Australia before I die.
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