quote:Cool pics Shane .. I have to ask why you are setting up on the second hump? I would think you would want to be lower and tucked under the wind screen better .. I may be wrong because i know nothing about LSR ..
It is to make the slope of my back more gradual. When I am in full tuck I have no problem getting low in the front. In fact, I have to lift my chin off the tank because Maxton is so bumpy. If I stayed down in the front portion of the seat it wouldn't work out well for me, with my long upper body.
I believe the pic above is at the beginning of the track as I am getting tucked in under acceleration...my head is not quite down all the way yet.
Shane
Cool Shane ... I had no idea what part of the run that picture was taken ..
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posted July 01, 2009 07:07 PM
shane do you think a 45 t is 2 much gear for me im at 230 geared what you think? i notice i need to launch real high with a 44t
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posted July 02, 2009 01:55 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 2 Jul 2009 09:56
quote:shane do you think a 45 t is 2 much gear for me im at 230 geared what you think? i notice i need to launch real high with a 44t
I have run 16/45 at your weight and wheelbase. My best 60' was 1.49, but I am not the fastest guy around. Even with 16/44, you shouldn't need to launch above 5500 rpm. With that much gear it is more about getting the clutch out and throttle pinned quickly.
If you are not running a 16T countershaft sprocket, I suggest you make that change. Then try launching it at about 5000 rpm.
posted July 02, 2009 02:09 AM
Shane I know you will crack the magic 200 , just not the right day that time.
The race glass looks hot from the front!
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posted July 02, 2009 03:24 AM
Edited By: BobC on 2 Jul 2009 11:31
I was looking at the side on photo from Maxton Shane, with all the mod's you've done have you considered a cutaway fuel tank so you can get your body lower? A couple of riders in my club have done this, big guys, and they have had good results. I'm average size but the limit of tuck for me is when my chest is on the tank, with the tank top removed I could get quite a bit lower so it's something I have in mind for the future. Aero's being as important as bhp in top speed events.
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quote:I was looking at the side on photo from Maxton Shane, with all the mod's you've done have you considered a cutaway fuel tank so you can get your body lower? A couple of riders in my club have done this, big guys, and they have had good results. I'm average size but the limit of tuck for me is when my chest is on the tank, with the tank top removed I could get quite a bit lower so it's something I have in mind for the future. Aero's being as important as bhp in top speed events.
Bob.
posted July 02, 2009 08:37 AM
thanks for the info
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sliders, full 2brother exhaust.
quote:Cool pics Shane .. I have to ask why you are setting up on the second hump? I would think you would want to be lower and tucked under the wind screen better .. I may be wrong because i know nothing about LSR ..
It is to make the slope of my back more gradual. When I am in full tuck I have no problem getting low in the front. In fact, I have to lift my chin off the tank because Maxton is so bumpy. If I stayed down in the front portion of the seat it wouldn't work out well for me, with my long upper body.
I believe the pic above is at the beginning of the track as I am getting tucked in under acceleration...my head is not quite down all the way yet.
Shane
In roadracing, alot of 250 GP riders will lift their buns off the seat to become more aero friendly as well.
quote:In roadracing, alot of 250 GP riders will lift their buns off the seat to become more aero friendly as well.
I have tried that in the past, and I think it could help. I'm embarrassed to say that my legs are not conditioned to hold me up in that position (up off of the seat) for the 10+ seconds needed. It really wears me out. I'm due for a fitness program.
quote:Cool pics Shane .. I have to ask why you are setting up on the second hump? I would think you would want to be lower and tucked under the wind screen better .. I may be wrong because i know nothing about LSR ..
It is to make the slope of my back more gradual. When I am in full tuck I have no problem getting low in the front. In fact, I have to lift my chin off the tank because Maxton is so bumpy. If I stayed down in the front portion of the seat it wouldn't work out well for me, with my long upper body.
I believe the pic above is at the beginning of the track as I am getting tucked in under acceleration...my head is not quite down all the way yet.
Shane
In roadracing, alot of 250 GP riders will lift their buns off the seat to become more aero friendly as well.
I can see where you could benefit with the aeros but the 250 riders do it mainly because of speed wobbles on the lightweight machines. It dissipates most of the motions when they come off the seat. They do it in MotoGP some too.
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quote: I can see where you could benefit with the aeros but the 250 riders do it mainly because of speed wobbles on the lightweight machines. It dissipates most of the motions when they come off the seat. They do it in MotoGP some too.
posted July 02, 2009 03:24 PM
Valentino Rossi stated it in a magazine.
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posted July 03, 2009 10:47 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 3 Jul 2009 18:49
I hooked up my Motocomm DSR-100 camera today. I should be able to get some decent videos the next time I go to the track. The mic is way too sensitive, but it will do.
Small test video:
Should make for some interesting dragstrip footage.
posted July 03, 2009 03:56 PM
Edited By: dubious on 3 Jul 2009 23:58
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posted July 05, 2009 08:16 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 5 Jul 2009 16:21
A couple of more pics from Maxton, at speed:
When comparing these to other pics you may see, keep in mind that I am 6' 1" and about 210 lbs. suited in these pics. I can't quite tuck in like a jockey, but I am working on it. In the photo through the traps, you can see where there is turbulence from the oversized leathers.
posted July 05, 2009 08:48 AM
Shane, hope you don't take it the wrong way, as you know everyone is a critic, and I don't mean it that way at all.
If you could get your feet down and back, your knees would be lower and it looks like you could get your face closer to the guages, and your head over the front of the tank more?
Maybe drag pegs on the swingarm and the cut tank will allow you get lower and more forward, as it is with your knee's interfering, the cut tank may not even help much?
I am thinking if you could get forward more, this might help the aero's?
Hows the new tank coming?
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posted July 05, 2009 09:02 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 5 Jul 2009 17:30
quote:Shane, hope you don't take it the wrong way, as you know everyone is a critic, and I don't mean it that way at all.
If you could get your feet down and back, your knees would be lower and it looks like you could get your face closer to the guages, and your head over the front of the tank more?
Maybe drag pegs on the swingarm and the cut tank will allow you get lower and more forward, as it is with your knee's interfering, the cut tank may not even help much?
I am thinking if you could get forward more, this might help the aero's?
Hows the new tank coming?
All controls must be operable with your feet on the pegs. Without running a sidewinder you will definitely have trouble utilizing drag pegs, even if you made all of the controls hand operable.
Getting up closer to the gauges is really not the biggest problem. Flattening out my back is a much greater challenge. This is an area where Kawasaki simply drops the ball. The 10,12's and 14's do not fit a human being in full tuck like the Busa does. There are many theoretical changes one can make...but only a limited amount that my body will allow! I think a lot of people would be surprised at what they really look like when tucked in at 190+ mph!
Obviously I'm investigating a lot of different setups. As for the tank, I have not quite figured out my ideal design. It seems like I could spend lots of time and money and this bike will never fit me as well as the Busa. It's discouraging, but I am working on it.
posted July 05, 2009 11:31 AM
Hmm,
Maybe get Rachel to take pics of you, side profile bike on the rear stand, with your body in different positions, to see what mods would work best to get the aero's where you want them?
I am lucky to be short enough, I am able to tuck my legs up so my ankles are under my ass basically, and the rest of my body basicaly lays out flat on the tank
A cut tank would get my helmet closer to the triple clamp, with a better angle on my neck for visibility.
If you raised your rearsets, and moved them back, it looks like your knee's would drop forward and down.....allowing you to get your chest lower and forward, which would straighten out your back?
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quote:Hmm,
Maybe get Rachel to take pics of you, side profile bike on the rear stand, with your body in different positions, to see what mods would work best to get the aero's where you want them?
I am lucky to be short enough, I am able to tuck my legs up so my ankles are under my ass basically, and the rest of my body basicaly lays out flat on the tank
A cut tank would get my helmet closer to the triple clamp, with a better angle on my neck for visibility.
If you raised your rearsets, and moved them back, it looks like your knee's would drop forward and down.....allowing you to get your chest lower and forward, which would straighten out your back?
We have taken some pics, but I have not been as focused on it as I need to be. I am going to spend some more time on it, and do some comparitive photos and measurements with a Busa. If I can get it to fit my body like the Busa does, I know I will see more mph.
You know how it is with me Lyle, I don't get anything done quickly. Plus, trying to juggle LSR and 1/4 mile setups is problematic. You end up not optimizing either.
Nonetheless, the bike is making pretty good mph, and I am at least happy with that.
quote:Hmm,
Maybe get Rachel to take pics of you, side profile bike on the rear stand, with your body in different positions, to see what mods would work best to get the aero's where you want them?
I am lucky to be short enough, I am able to tuck my legs up so my ankles are under my ass basically, and the rest of my body basicaly lays out flat on the tank
A cut tank would get my helmet closer to the triple clamp, with a better angle on my neck for visibility.
If you raised your rearsets, and moved them back, it looks like your knee's would drop forward and down.....allowing you to get your chest lower and forward, which would straighten out your back?
We have taken some pics, but I have not been as focused on it as I need to be. I am going to spend some more time on it, and do some comparitive photos and measurements with a Busa. If I can get it to fit my body like the Busa does, I know I will see more mph.
You know how it is with me Lyle, I don't get anything done quickly. Plus, trying to juggle LSR and 1/4 mile setups is problematic. You end up not optimizing either.
Nonetheless, the bike is making pretty good mph, and I am at least happy with that.
Shane
LOL,
my build has been anything but fast....
a few times I have gotten so discouraged with the continuous supply issues, that I have rolled it into the corner of the shop and thrown a cover on it,
There have been times where it I have to get away from it, or pull out big hammer...
The hammer solution wouldn't help anything....:P
problem is if I leave for long, it costs more time to get back into it, and remember the issues I had, or need to address.
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