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posted April 18, 2009 04:55 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 19 Apr 2009 01:12
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Thanks for the video!
I just ordered the PC310 
NIce to see the progress on your bike 
Stan, there will be some special mounting considerations with the PC310. I'm sure you can figure it out, but it will require some work. You will have to modify some connections and find a good way to strap it in....I am going to do so this week. It also uses tiny post bolts...I can't find what I did with the included pieces, so I have to dig up some.
Also, I am not running any headlights, not sure if that might affect startup a little.
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posted April 18, 2009 06:45 PM
One final thing accomplished for today. I had already made 2 attempts at getting the rear tire on the BST rim. On the 2nd attempt I did manage to get the first bead over the rim..but no go on the 2nd. This rim was really giving me a hard time, so I gave it a rest.
Then I got a 2nd set of hands to help me (Racheal)...and after about 10 minutes we got it:
The tire is a Michelin Power Race Soft, 190/50/17. I have already had a good experience with the tire in the 180/55 size, and I wanted to see if the 190 was a little shorter in height. I'll be measuring that soon.
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posted April 18, 2009 07:59 PM
Shane, srry if you posted this before, but how does the weight and contact patch compare between them? (Michelin Power Race Soft, 190/50 vs 180/55 ) thinking about trying one once my current Shinko u soft is done...
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posted April 18, 2009 09:41 PM
The bike sounds great Shane!
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posted April 18, 2009 09:43 PM
BTW, I think you have passed the highest number of views?
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posted April 18, 2009 10:11 PM
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posted April 19, 2009 05:13 AM
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Shane, srry if you posted this before, but how does the weight and contact patch compare between them? (Michelin Power Race Soft, 190/50 vs 180/55 ) thinking about trying one once my current Shinko u soft is done...
Scott, I measured both tires at right about 12.5 lbs. I am going to measure the circumference of the mounted 190 tonight (for gearing purposes). As far as contact patch, I won't know until I try it. These road race tires are pretty crowned; I'm interested in seeing how it flattens out after about 50 passes.
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posted April 19, 2009 08:17 AM
It will flatten out lots with 10 psi in it...
Most pro's I know run the wide rim, with a 180, the patch is very wide
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posted April 19, 2009 08:22 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 19 Apr 2009 16:23
At my track I probably won't go lower than 18 psi. One problem with the BST's is that the wheel can potentially spin within the rim. I imagine the lower the pressure, the more likely that issue is to rear it's ugly head.
I've run as low as 14 psi in a Shinko (with aluminum wheels) when needed. Obviously you want to run the maximum pressure you can and still get traction. Last year I was able to get traction at 18 psi on a 40 degree day, with a Power Race 180/55.
I cleaned the inside of the rim lip and the tire bead after I installed the tire on the rim. Then I inflated it up pretty high to seat everything in well. I also want to make it holds air properly.
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posted April 19, 2009 08:27 AM
Cool,
I don't understand why they will slip on that rim any diferent than another, they all need to have smooth beads so they will hold air...?
Must be nice to have a track prepped that well, I'm not complaining, at least I have a local one now...
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posted April 19, 2009 08:33 AM
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Cool,
I don't understand why they will slip on that rim any diferent than another, they all need to have smooth beads so they will hold air...?
Must be nice to have a track prepped that well, I'm not complaining, at least I have a local one now...
The carbon wheel is just more suceptible. Glass is a smooth surface and so is painted aluminum...but obviously different frictional properties.
I haven't experienced it firsthand, but it is a known concern.
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posted April 19, 2009 04:29 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Apr 2009 02:06
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Shane, srry if you posted this before, but how does the weight and contact patch compare between them? (Michelin Power Race Soft, 190/50 vs 180/55 ) thinking about trying one once my current Shinko u soft is done...
Scott, here are my earlier measurements, and the new ones:
Approximate Circumference:
Shinko 190/50 - 77"
Michelin 180/55 - 79.25"
Michelin 190/50 - 78.25"
Approximate Height:
Shinko 190/50 - 24.51"
Michelin 180/55 - 25.23"
Michelin 190/50 - 24.90"
Weight of both Power Race tires: approximately 12.5 lbs. each
Weight of Shinko: approximately 15 lbs.
This is about all the info I have right now.
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posted April 19, 2009 04:42 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Apr 2009 00:45
One more thing down. Front tire mounted on the BST; it wasn't as difficult as the rear. But I am literally bruised and beaten from mounting these tires. They require a lot of force due to the more shallow drop centers and sharper wheel edges. Plus, you can't use as much tire lubricant, as mentioned before.
I mounted a Michelin Pilot Power 120/60/17 front tire. This will drop the bike down about 1/4" or so. I wanted to get an idea of where things were headed, so I mocked up the fender and single rotor:
I probably won't be able to get the fender done this week, but I like the way things are starting to look. I still have a ton of work to do up front...the forks will come off again tomorrow.
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posted April 19, 2009 05:08 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Apr 2009 01:09
Hey, look what I got!:
The good news is, I have a pair of them! The bad news...they hurt like hell. I'm going to have to be a little easier with the mount/de-mount bar next time. Ouch!
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posted April 19, 2009 05:42 PM
be careful running a shorter tire on the front. if you read the busa chronicles on brock's site he discusses the bad effects of running a shorter tire and the scarry speed wobble that he experienced after doing so.
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posted April 19, 2009 05:44 PM
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be careful running a shorter tire on the front. if you read the busa chronicles on brock's site he discusses the bad effects of running a shorter tire and the scarry speed wobble that he experienced after doing so.
I've run the shorter tires for years now, with no ill effects. While there is the potential for trouble, you have to look at the overall chassis setup. The ideal setup for top speed is not necessarily the ideal for the dragstrip, and vice-versa.
Going to a 60 series doesn't mean instant trouble, in itself. Plenty of people are running these tires without any troubles. But you have to be aware of how it affects chassis geometry, and make adjustments if needed. I have been 207 mph on a Busa with a 60 series front tire, and it was rock solid. Safety is important to me, and I monitor these things closely.
In my case, the steering damper and 6-7" of extra wheelbase will help to calm any handling jitters. But I'll keep my eyes open, as always, for any odd behavior.
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posted April 19, 2009 08:03 PM
I have been near the limiter in 6th with 16-43 gearing with a 60series sportec M3 and i did not notice any wobble at all. I was a little concerned after reading the chronicles, but it works fine for me
I'm still drooling over the BST's, what did you do with your 1K wheel setup??
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posted April 20, 2009 02:06 AM
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I'm still drooling over the BST's, what did you do with your 1K wheel setup??
I still have the GSXR wheels and Galfer rotors; they should be a fairly quick sale on one of the Suzuki boards.
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posted April 20, 2009 07:03 AM
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Got the pan reinstalled with new gasket and oil filter. Here you can see how much clearance has been improved:
I'm starting to see a glimmer of hope. If I get my modified brake hanger and new axle blocks in time, I may just turn a wheel at the track next week.
Shane
Great thread. I started reading through and then realized...wait a minute...got a notepad to take down part #'s and such. Very informative.
I have done lots of project builds, cars mostly. Not sure how you have time to do the writeups..........appreciated though.
A thought on the oil pan plug. Why couldn't you just weld the stock plug closed and have a new plug installed at the rear or side? as in NOT on the bottom.
Just a thought.
Thanks for the Info!
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posted April 20, 2009 07:09 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Apr 2009 15:10
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A thought on the oil pan plug. Why couldn't you just weld the stock plug closed and have a new plug installed at the rear or side? as in NOT on the bottom.
Just a thought.
Thanks for the Info!
That's definitely an option, and it has been done. I don't have someone I trust to weld it properly (even though I had the pan off) so I did what I could myself. This is also a convenient way to get more clearance, without removing the pan.
As for relocating the plug, most of the ones I have seen either won't let all the oil drain out, or some have had other clearance issues. I'm sure there is a good spot for the plug, though. Just a matter of finding a decent welder.
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posted April 20, 2009 09:47 AM
since PMs dont work.....
do you still have the spacers, bearings, etc to make the GSXR wheels work on the 14? how much total weight did they save?
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posted April 20, 2009 10:00 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Apr 2009 18:03
I have some shim spacers that I had done, for the front brake rotors. I don't have any rear spacers. The front wheel spacers are easily made with shim washers and oem rear spacers.
The front wheel is 2.6 lbs. lighter, and the rear is 4.1 lbs. lighter.
This is an unfinished project, so I would not be able to support you any further on it. Truthfully, you would be money ahead to get a set of aftermarket aluminum rims; the Galfer rotors and GSXR rims would run you over $800. Then, another $200 or so to complete the project. I was pretty committed to the project because I really like the Suzuki wheels...but it's not the "logical" choice.
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posted April 20, 2009 11:38 AM
I see your point. thanks and good luck with the rest of your project
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posted April 20, 2009 01:36 PM
thx for the measurements Shane! now if that 190 michelin gives a nice wide contact patch like the shinko 190, ill have to see about getting one. i dont race at the greatest track, and its going to be a long bike this yr!
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posted April 20, 2009 08:59 PM
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I have some shim spacers that I had done, for the front brake rotors. I don't have any rear spacers. The front wheel spacers are easily made with shim washers and oem rear spacers.
The front wheel is 2.6 lbs. lighter, and the rear is 4.1 lbs. lighter.
This is an unfinished project, so I would not be able to support you any further on it. Truthfully, you would be money ahead to get a set of aftermarket aluminum rims; the Galfer rotors and GSXR rims would run you over $800. Then, another $200 or so to complete the project. I was pretty committed to the project because I really like the Suzuki wheels...but it's not the "logical" choice.
Shane
+1
I wouldn't do it again...I don't think...LOL
MR Vmax needs radial tires and wheels, radial brakes and stiffer forks.... LOL
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