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posted December 04, 2008 10:45 PM
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Personally, for $1200, Carozierra's are much easier way to go.
IMO I wouldn't do the conversion again... Big PITA.
I finally will be able to regain focus on Frankenstein again next week.
I can't wait!
my LIGHTWEIGHT tail section, with the gsxr wheels
WE have had problems with the cush drive on the CAROZIERRA wheels the bolts break I would use a different wheel
  
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Shane661
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posted December 05, 2008 03:55 PM
GSXR wheels arrived today:
Preliminary weight measurements look promising: roughly 6 lbs. rear and 1 lb. front compared to stock. Once I have the tires removed I will have more accurate numbers, so I'm not going to jump up and down just yet. I have a lot of measuring to do....as mentioned earlier, these are not a direct swap.
Wheels came complete with rotors, sprocket and spacers. Also practically new BT-015 tires (oem)...I'll save those for some street or LSR duty.
Shane
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Shane661
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posted December 06, 2008 10:21 AM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 6 Dec 2008 18:27
Time for some preliminary checks on the front wheel.
First, I mounted it up in place. The axle is of the proper diameter:
Now, to take a look around. First, it is obvious that some wheel spacers will need to be fashioned:
You can see the gap there, between the fork and stock wheel spacer, of a few mm or more. Not a difficult issue to resolve. The important thing is to get an accurate measurement.
Now is where the fun starts. The brake rotors are spaced together more tightly than the stock parts. So that means they come close on the inner edge of the caliper:
Although this clearance should not change, it could be a safety concern if you warp a rotor. Then the rotor could start to drag the caliper at a high speed...not good.
And of more concern, imo, is that the caliper pistons extend out pretty far on the outside:
Again, this would work fine right now. But as the pad wears the pistons will extend out further..possibly beyond their limits. Looking at the exploded view of the caliper, I do not see a positive stop...so that could lead to hydraulic fluid shooting out of the caliper as the brake is applied. Needless to say, that is not good.
So, to sum up the two current concerns:
1) Existing wheel spacers are too small.
2) Rotors are not centered safely within the calipers.
My next step will be to investigate the options for getting the calipers and rotors to agree with one another. No big deal, I knew to expect this.
Shane
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KZScott
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posted December 06, 2008 03:48 PM
shim the calipers out a bit and replace the bolts with grade 8... or TI ? did you try the 14 brakes on the gsxr wheel?
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00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted December 06, 2008 10:56 PM
Edited By: dubious on 7 Dec 2008 07:07
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On the wheels again...
The zx14 uses a 32 mm rear axle , not 25 mm.
25 mm is the front axle, so is the 06-09 zx10 and the 07-08 zx6.
The GSX-R 1000 uses a 36 mm rear axle- that's why you would
need a sleeve machined to compensate for the difference and you
can't just go with the different i.d. bearings coz they'll get crushed.
I finally put my rear on and love it- the difference is huge!
And I bought the wheel on ebay in excellent shape for $200 shipped.
I also use a 240mm Galfer gen1 Busa brake rotor since the stock gixer is only 220mm.
OK,
Give a guy a break eh?
Its been almost a year since I looked at the damn things
I haven't had time to look at the thing never mind work on it, or RIDE it!
... yes my life has sucked, but its about to get a whole lot better!
So, you took my advice and went simpler route zx6/ zx10 wheels instead?
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posted December 06, 2008 11:06 PM
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shim the calipers out a bit and replace the bolts with grade 8... or TI ? did you try the 14 brakes on the gsxr wheel?
They are radial calipers, no can do,
Also shimming the rotors is questionalble due to heat cycles....
Can't remember which if it was the gsxr or the zx14 , but one of them uses tapered rotor bolts to center the rotor on the wheel... shimming would eliminate this technical detail...
An entire gsxr frt end is approx 5lbs lighter.....
Forks have different tapers and od so its not simple no matter which way you go.
The steering stems are of different length diameter and tapers... need machinist.
9 lbs total.... my scales must be off, I am almost sure I measured 9lbs rear, and 3 lbs front.
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KZScott
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posted December 07, 2008 05:16 AM
opps i ment rotors out..(typo). i have seen that done. not sure how shimming would affect the centering of the rotor. the bolt would be in the same spot, and a tapered fit would still force the rotor centered. im thinking allong the lines of a truck rim and wheel spacers. they use tapered nuts on the stud and are still centered with a spacer.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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Shane661
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posted December 07, 2008 07:16 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 7 Dec 2008 15:38
I'm not ready to tackle the rear wheel yet, but I want to eliminate any confusion about the rear axle diameters. The ZX-14 uses a 25mm rear axle, and the GSXR uses a 28mm rear axle:
ZX-14 axle top, GSXR bottom:
ZX-14 rear axle measured:
GSXR rear axle measured:
I hope this clears things up.
Shane
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posted December 07, 2008 07:36 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 7 Dec 2008 15:36
While I'm at it, I'll also measure the front axle diameter. Both bikes use the same diameter front axle. I have confirmed this by fitting the ZX-14 axle to the GSXR wheel. I am going to measure the ZX-14 part:
ZX-14 front axle:
ZX-14 front axle diameter:
The front axle diameter for both machines is 25mm.
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masszx14
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posted December 07, 2008 08:35 AM
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quote:
On the wheels again...
The zx14 uses a 32 mm rear axle , not 25 mm.
25 mm is the front axle, so is the 06-09 zx10 and the 07-08 zx6.
The GSX-R 1000 uses a 36 mm rear axle- that's why you would
need a sleeve machined to compensate for the difference and you
can't just go with the different i.d. bearings coz they'll get crushed.
I finally put my rear on and love it- the difference is huge!
And I bought the wheel on ebay in excellent shape for $200 shipped.
I also use a 240mm Galfer gen1 Busa brake rotor since the stock gixer is only 220mm.
OK,
Give a guy a break eh?
Its been almost a year since I looked at the damn things
I haven't had time to look at the thing never mind work on it, or RIDE it!
... yes my life has sucked, but its about to get a whole lot better!
So, you took my advice and went simpler route zx6/ zx10 wheels instead?
Yeah... you're wright and I'm wrong.
I guess the axle nuts were 32 and 36.
Sorry for the mislead there and thanx Shane for measuring them.
I acually played around wit the two rear wheels,
but when I realized I needed the sleeve- just took it to the shop
and had them machine it and put it in with the new bearings.
I went with the 07 zx6 front beacause of the direct bolt on and the
fact that is lighter than the gsx-r wheel. I bought a brand new front rim
from an OEM retailer ( $425 shipped ) and the zx6 rim was almost 4 lbs. lighter than the
stock zx14 front. That's a stripped down rim with only bearings in it. I had
a representative on the phone who read me all the different wheel weights
they had on file for shipping purposes. The zx14 and zx6 wheel in the very same
box and packing materials were almost 4 lbs. apart. I never weighed the whole
front wheel assemblies as I don't have a trustworthy scale, but still have both
and will check them when I have a chance. There's also someone on ebay who
sells titanium rotor bolts cheap, I bought 10 for like $40 and used them for the swap.
I doubt the bolts would make any difference but they are cheap and are noticably
lighter when held in hand.
The rear gsx-r wheel assembly with a 43 t Vortex , gen 1 Busa 240 mm Galfer rotor
and all titanium bolts, fitted with a Pilot Power 2 CT ( 190/ 55 ) was around 7.5 lbs.
lighter than the stock zx14 assembly with stock tire, but that was on a crappy scale... won't be surprised if it is 1 lbs. ( or more ) off..
The mismatched wheel combo I have actually looks pretty good IMO,
I was worried it will look bad, but actually like it a lot.
I hope this post helps and I'm sorry again for the wrong axle size info.
Shane, thanks for the thread- I've followed it for a while now.
Keep up the good work!
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posted December 07, 2008 12:56 PM
Edited By: masszx14 on 7 Dec 2008 21:01
Here's my 07 zx6r front rim... and zx10 carbon fiber fender on Lyle's brackets:
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posted December 07, 2008 12:59 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 7 Dec 2008 21:00
Looks good. 
I ordered a fender today, but not a ZX-10 one. I'm not posting any details until I see if I like the fender and finished result.
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posted December 11, 2008 06:57 PM
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posted December 11, 2008 08:14 PM
does it start with h?
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted December 11, 2008 08:45 PM
Edited By: masszx14 on 12 Dec 2008 04:50
Shane,
I called Exoticycle and they do have a gsx-r rear caliper hanger that will work on the zx14.
The rep told me they use it for Roaring Toyz wheels conversions and will allow the use of the smaller 220 mm rotor and will correctly space it all.
It's this one, it also comes in black:
http://exoticycle.com/ecom/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=7
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posted December 11, 2008 08:48 PM
Sorry,
I'm not sure why my links don't work.
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posted December 12, 2008 05:03 AM
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Shane,
I called Exoticycle and they do have a gsx-r rear caliper hanger that will work on the zx14.
The rep told me they use it for Roaring Toyz wheels conversions and will allow the use of the smaller 220 mm rotor and will correctly space it all.
It's this one, it also comes in black:
http://exoticycle.com/ecom/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=7
Here's your link.
Bob
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Shane661
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posted December 12, 2008 06:11 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 12 Dec 2008 14:12
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http://exoticycle.com/ecom/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=7
Very nice! That may make things easier. I am up in the air on how I am going to fit the rear wheel. I am going to make a swingarm decision first.
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Shane661
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posted December 12, 2008 06:14 AM
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does it start with h?
No, I am not using a Hayabusa fender for now. I have one here and I test-fitted it. It actually matches the bike very well. I want to try something different, though. Hopefully the part I ordered will come in the mail this week.
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posted December 12, 2008 06:23 AM
What are you going to do with your spare 12 wheels?
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Shane661
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posted December 12, 2008 06:29 AM
I'm not sure yet. I also still have a ZX-12 that will be going on the road next year. I might keep one wheel with a spare on it.
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posted December 12, 2008 12:22 PM
Edited By: masszx14 on 12 Dec 2008 20:27
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quote:
Shane,
I called Exoticycle and they do have a gsx-r rear caliper hanger that will work on the zx14.
The rep told me they use it for Roaring Toyz wheels conversions and will allow the use of the smaller 220 mm rotor and will correctly space it all.
It's this one, it also comes in black:
http://exoticycle.com/ecom/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=7
Here's your link.
Bob
Thanks Bob!
http://www.zx14ninja.com/phpbb2/
Can do!
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posted December 12, 2008 12:34 PM
Ive been thinking of adding weight on my frontend, not taking it off. Ive made a bracket that bolts to the header, wieghs like 10lbs. Hardly noticable, unless your looking for it. Also im looking for a extra front axle to fill up with lead. If any1 has an extra i would love to buy it.
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posted December 12, 2008 01:00 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 12 Dec 2008 21:06
My new front fender came today. It is just what I wanted....a very small fender:
A test fit, to see the way it will look:
Now I have to fashion some brackets. I have ordered most of the parts I need to adapt the GSXR front wheel and they should be in next week. My goal is to have the front wheel swap,fender and brakes completed by Christmas.
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posted December 12, 2008 02:34 PM
IMHO the stock zx14 fender is big and ugly. I took mine off just a few days after getting the bike and was shocked at how heavy it is. You will also notice lower engine temps at cruising speeds as more airflow is allowed to the radiator.
Good looking lid!
GSX-R 1000 I guess?
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