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posted October 29, 2008 06:16 AM
great job Shane! you will definatly go faster with a bit more fuel. you are about a full point leaner than i would have it. Ive been told that 12.8 makes the best power, but 12.6 will accelerate better. from that statement i would want 12.6 for dragracing and 1 mile runs, and 12.8 for someplace like bonneville. keep at it!
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00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
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posted October 29, 2008 06:24 AM
Shane let us knoe how many numbers on the PC you have to go to richen it to achieve the 12.8a/f ratio. I assume your going to richen the 100% table fr aroun6k or so & up???
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posted October 29, 2008 06:34 AM
I should know something in about two weeks when I return to the track. The a/f was about 12.9 back in the hot humid days of August, but now it is around 50 degrees and dry, hence the required change.
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posted October 29, 2008 06:41 AM
Please let us know , that will be some valuable info.
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posted November 06, 2008 12:16 PM
 Edited By: Shane661 on 6 Nov 2008 22:10
As this project moves along, I've found that my goals are changing a bit. While I knew in the beginning that I wanted to go 200 mph on the bike at some point, I wasn't certain about my goals at the dragstrip. I only started running 9's this year, and those were 9.9's on Racheal's Gixxer. So I was very happy to get this bike to the 9.3's...I am hoping to get to the 9.2's with the cooler weather!
Anyway, long story short....I want to go 8's next year. I have a dry nitrous setup that I am confident can get me there. I know that in order to get the bike into the 8's without spraying the heck out of it, l have to lose more weight...and so will the bike.
So I've decided to make a few sacrifices on the bike in order to get it more suited for the track. One of the first things I knew I could ditch was the headlight. I can't see at night as it is, and I'm not too worried about the bike passing state inspection. So I ordered a Catalyst race upper:
This piece allows me to ditch the stock headlight assembly, losing 7.5 lbs.:
Test fitting the upper:
I also wanted to fit an extended tail section in order to make room for electronics, etc. I liked the idea of ditching the signals back there, and now I won't have to worry about damaging the stock paint with the step seat:
Both pieces test fitted:
I removed the pieces for now until I can drill them and finish the fitting. I need to get them functional this weekend since I am going to the track on Tuesday. Here is how it sits now, stripped down:
More updates coming as it goes back together.
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posted November 06, 2008 03:57 PM
She looks bad-ass, I'm impressed. Keep up the good work and progress, I definately see you at 200+mph in the 2009 season.
Congrats on breaking your 190+mph cherry at the last event, I can see Ali getting nervous!
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posted November 06, 2008 04:06 PM
Thanks Mike. Ali and I are supposed to mix it up at the dragstrip later this month...should be fun, and a lot closer than in the past! 
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posted November 07, 2008 04:45 PM
If you recall from a couple of pages back, I mounted up a ZX-12 wheel and it was lighter than the stock setup. I also wanted to try out a lighter tire with that setup for some good weight savings and possibly a mph increase at the dragstrip.
My new tire came today:
I got the Michelin Power Race Soft in 180/55/17. Previously I was running the Shinko Ultra soft 190/50/17. There is a huge difference in the two tires, when unmounted:
The Shinko is much wider, flatter, and shorter. I'm hoping to get both tires mounted on rims tomorrow so that I can compare the setups in weight and height/profile. I know that this new tire will affect my overall gearing a bit, but I have plenty of gear at 16/45 so I am not too worried.
I also took the time to weigh the two tires with my bathroom scale:
Shinko U-Soft 190/50/17 - 15 lbs. (slightly worn)
Michelin Power Race Soft 180/55/17 - 12.5 lbs. (new)
The key here is that if I can get the bike to hook with less contact patch, that should translate to more mph. Anything beyond what you need for traction is simply increased rolling resistance, which is wasted hp.
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posted November 07, 2008 09:20 PM
nice work as allways Shane. ill be interested to see how the tire hooks. have you thought about trying an MCR?
details on the nitrous? 
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 08, 2008 04:57 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 9 Nov 2008 01:39
Some more detailed measurements comparing the Shinko setup with the Power Race on the 12R wheel. Circumference measured with a tape, height calculated and verified with tape:
Approximate Circumference:
Shinko - 77"
Michelin - 79.25"
Approximate Height:
Shinko - 24.51"
Michelin - 25.23"
Approximate weight:
Shinko on stock wheel: 34.5 lbs.
Michelin on 12R wheel: 29.5 lbs.
Again, all of these measurements are approximations. I am using simple measuring devices and some math.
Based on what I have measured, the Power Race will raise the rear of the bike over 1/3 of an inch. It will also be the equivalent of removing a tooth from the rear sprocket, due to it's increased circumference. And finally, it will place the tire over 1/3 of an inch closer to the undertail. This could become an issue with hard launches.
I am on the fence as to whether I want to mess with it just yet. I'm not sure it is worth the trouble without making some other adjusments to the bike, such as ride height and undertail clearance.
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posted November 08, 2008 05:36 PM
Edited By: CrotchRocket on 9 Nov 2008 01:36
Nice job Shane...The Michelin pr soft weighs the same as the Pirelli super corsa...
You should be charging people for these trade secrets
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posted November 08, 2008 07:08 PM
anyone use the Metzeler Dragtec tire? says its 13.9, just curious cause its the same price as Michelin
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posted November 09, 2008 05:42 PM
Only two more days until I go to the track, so I need to get this bodywork mounted. The upper fairing comes with the holes pre-marked. You just need the proper sized bits, and you are set. I found the existing marks to be pretty darn close:
I tried my best to avoid fraying the fiberglass too much, but I really need some finer bits. When you get to the large bits they can really chew the holes up pretty good.
Fit and finish is excellent for race bodywork. There are a few gaps here and there, and a couple of little challenges, but nothing too major:
I threw a rear wheel on it and set it down in order to take a good look:
There is something about doing all of this work that makes me like the bike even more. It's a great way to develop a "connection" with the machine. Now I am taking a whole new attitude when it comes to working on it. It is no longer a "chore"...I really look forward to it.
I still have quite a few things to do tomorrow. I need to finish the bodywork off, hook up the shifter, install the rear wheel, and change gearing.
Shane
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posted November 10, 2008 11:41 AM
looking good Shane, if you add more race body work I would suggest trying a stepped drill bit for the bigger holes. I have one that has 1/16 increments(starting 1/4 inch i believe and going to 1 inch) that i use all the time. it was about $10 I think.
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 10, 2008 11:49 AM
Thanks for the suggestion. I haven't tried one of those; I'll definitely look into it.
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posted November 12, 2008 12:52 PM
Just an update on the track day. I arrived at the track yesterday and it was 40 degrees or less. I set the tire pressure at 17 lbs, per Crotchrockets advice. The tire hooked like glue! The Power Race Soft is a sweet tire! It never spun all day, with temps in the 40's for much of the day...and not much sun in the afternoon.
Other than that, the bike performed pretty well. I ran back-to-back 9.30 passes (personal bests)...I kept banging on the door all day...but I had to settle for numerous 9.30-9.31 runs. I also ran my first 5 second 1/8th mile times...a couple of 5.98's.
MPH was pretty good. 148 mph in the 1/4, and 120 mph in the 1/8th with me at 225 lbs. suited.
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posted November 12, 2008 01:08 PM
The Michelin is a bad mofo!!!
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posted November 12, 2008 06:11 PM
Here are two comparison runs (Me vs. Me). The 9.300 was my best run of the day. The 9.31 run *should have been* by best run of the day! I didn't hit my shift points. It cost me, as you can see by my mph:
A little frustrating, but I will get that 9.2 soon....
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posted November 12, 2008 07:03 PM
Ali is pissing his pants right now lol. keep at it, you will hit 9.2s then 9.1s, then 9.0s. I know your frustration. I was 0.03 and 0.05 away from my goal
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 12, 2008 07:38 PM
Shane you are going very well for no more that a few passes .... Work on your 60 footers and you got 9.0s no problem ...The bike is making the power and will run the numbers as is ...The rest is up to you .... 
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posted November 13, 2008 08:34 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 13 Nov 2008 16:35
It's a cold and rainy day here. A good time to inspect some things on the bike. I had a few minor issues when I was at the track the other day, and I want to make sure everything is 100% before I race again.
After reviewing my timeslips, I found that I had made at least 28 passes over about 6 hours on Tuesday! I figured I would start with the clutch as it has about 60 passes on it now.
Here is the first friction:
Looks good so far. On to the first steel:
Some signs of heat, but still seems "ok" to my amateur eyes. Still flat. Here is a close-up of a typical friction...looking good!:
Now there is one area of concern for me. And that is the pattern of heat on the steels. I wonder if this is related to the 5 spring setup, and the fact that I am only running 3 Brock's spacers? Look at the heat marks on the two steels...identical patten of uneven heating:
The clutch is working great, and my last pass of the day was a 9.31...so it is doing it's job. But I would like to know for sure why the pattern on the steels. I'd like it to be more even. If it is related to the 3 spacers, as I suspect, I will just install the other two.
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posted November 13, 2008 08:59 AM
Edited By: Shane661 on 13 Nov 2008 17:00
quote:
Shane you are going very well for no more that a few passes .... Work on your 60 footers and you got 9.0s no problem ...The bike is making the power and will run the numbers as is ...The rest is up to you ....
Thanks Lee. I'm chipping away at the times. I'm hoping to get one more test and tune (or something!) this season...
I think I have about 75 passes (1/8th and 1/4 combined) on the bike now..
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posted November 13, 2008 09:25 AM
colour is ok as long as its not warped. you are just on the edge. funny pattern though, I would think the pressure plate should clamp evenly, but with unbalanced static pressure, maybe it doesnt? how thick are the spacers that you are using? maybe you could borrow/buy some thinner lock up spacers and "spread out" the amount of spacer you are currently using evenly over all 5 springs without changing the amount of static pressure you are used to.
I did see a really funny pattern on an R1 clutch pack at the track this yr. (that bike was not made for drag racing) he had to slip the clutch a lot because he had street gearing and stock wb, and after a few passes he would put a "bubble" on his steels in one spot all the way thru the stack in the same place. it was thicker on both sides, allmost like there was an air bubble in the steel and when it got super hot it expanded forcing the metal out both ways.... very strange
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01 ZX-12R 8.84 @ 156.3 no bars, DOT tires. Pump Gas, NA.... turbo 8.47 @ 164.
00 ZX-12R 8.62 @ 165.2 no bars, slicks, Pump Gas, 55 shot.... turbo 8.32 @173
00 ZX-12R Fastest NA Kawasaki in the world 1: 222.046 1.5: 226.390 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R street turbo 1: 227.9 1.5: 234.1 Loring AFB
00 ZX-12R LSR turbo 1: 263.1 1.5: 266.5 Loring AFB Worlds fastest ZX-12R
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posted November 20, 2008 02:43 PM
Edited By: Shane661 on 20 Nov 2008 23:52
I am planning to add a dry nitrous system this winter. Earlier in the thread I showed some pictures of the spraybar system that I got from Gixx1300R:
His setup come complete with showerhead, fittings, lines...the whole works ready to bolt on. Just add a single nitrous jet and you are on your way! Everything was about $150+SH.
Since then I have also picked up a Coby Adams billet spraybar. For just the spraybar the cost is about $150+SH:
This spraybar is set up to take 4 jets, one at each nozzle. You will need to purchase 4 jets, lines, fittings, and a showerhead in order to use it. I would estimate that it will cost around $300 total before the system is ready to use.
The primary differences are:
1) The Adams piece has the nozzles built into the spraybar. I like this since there are no parts to fall into the engine.
2) The Adams piece bolts to existing holes in the frame. You do not need to drill any holes in the frame.
3) The Adams piece uses a jet at each nozzle (an option on the Gixx1300 bar).
Here is a comparison of the two spraybars. You can see that the spacing of the nozzles is very close. Also you can see the fittings included with Gixx1300R's spraybar...you will have to buy those separately with the Adams unit:
Personally, I think they are both nice pieces. I was going to fashion a bracket and mount the Gixx1300R spraybar in the same location as the Adams. I was also planning to run 4 jets with it. So when I saw that the Adams unit incorporated those ideas, I decided to give it a try. I have yet to mount either in order to compare performance, but it should be the same. The main difference being the extra cost of the Adams.
I should also mention that Gixx1300R offers excellent support for his products. You can also order a different configuration and lines from him. In my case, I will likely give the Adams bar a try on the 14, and use the Gixx1300R one for my ZX-12R.
I don't think you can go wrong with either product. Considering cost and support, the Gixx1300R bar is by far the best bargain.
Shane
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posted November 20, 2008 03:18 PM
Nice write up Shane
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