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posted June 03, 2008 10:36 AM
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Too bad the 08 14 does no justice.The 06 and 07 14s seem to have more peak hp.So with that in mind you would think, would have done better in the test. At least against its main rival the Busa.
I don't understand where this comes from - I've seen this over and over on the Internet, with no supporting proof.
In the "Brock is MIA" thread, Brock wrote about the 08: " It makes more power than my 06 ZX-14 did with the same miles and about the same as the 08 Busa does now....."
Rickey Gadson did extensive testing of the 08 and stated that it made several HP more.
What expert witness would we call to overrule these 2 findings? 
Well take a step back here .... Both Brock and Ricky said in STOCK form the 08 is pig rich on the top end ...This cycle world test was done with stone stock bikes ....Makes sence to me that the 08 zx14 being pig rich was beatin by the busa and the other bikes ... Yes Brock did say the 08 makes more HP than the 06 07 zx14 BUT that was After a pipe and mapping ..But it only made 2 or 3 HP more from what i have read ...Brock got 197 out of the 06 zx14 and stated the 08 zx14 would be right at 200 HP and maybe a bit more ... At least that is the way i understood it ...
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posted June 03, 2008 10:40 AM
Oh yeah, that Ford GT was a special tuner car, twin turbo'd and making 750hp for this test (is a 1000 hp car but it had boost controller problems 'limiting it' to 750hp at the tires!)
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posted June 03, 2008 11:03 AM
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ha, look at the zx10 torque! only 77 lbf  ...no wonder it does not do well in the 1/4 mile .It only has oomph with the needle planted near the red line,not a lot of useable power!
the king still reigns where it counts the most.... also those 1 litre bikes do not respond that well to modifications, put a new pipe and pc and you would be lucky to get an extra 7 hp !!with a busa ,you looking at 15 ponies and weight saving of more than 30 lb whereas zx10's
weight saving would be next to nothing. Line them up modded and i can have a good laugh...
Better rethink that part about only gaining 7 hp with a pipe on the zx10 ... The 08 zx10 has been picking up 15 to 16 hp with a pipe and p/c and saved 14 pounds of dead weight...2 cats and two muffles have the new 08 zx10 plugged up real bad ....The reason most people are going to be faster in the 1/4 on a busa or zx14 is because the zx10 is so damn short !!! The zx10 in stock form is a wheely king .. I ran a 9.97 on my stone stock 08 zx10 and that was with the front tire off the ground most of the track ..It was half track before i could get full throttle ... ( Just Ask Steve ) ....My zx14 is now setting at 61 1/2 inch wheel base and with very little set time the numbers are very very close to my zx14 setting at 64 inches ..
I will agree for most people that the busa / zx14 will be easier to get a good number at the 1/4 mile ...But line up your Busa / zx14 with a zx10 and a rider with some skills and you are going to be very unhappy with the outcome...If you think a liter bike can't out run a Busa / zx14 in stock form in the 1/4 mile all you have to do is look at AMA Prostar Super Sport class... The busa and zx14s run 9.teens to 9.20s while the zx10s and Gixxers are 8.90s to 9.0s ...
do i see smokey crawfishing or jumping ship ...just not to long ago you was telling me NO 1K COULD OUT RUN A ZX14/BUSA
No ship jumping ...My zx14 is king in my house... The zx10 is a fun little bike but for overall riding i'll pick the zx14 hands down ...I look at them this way , a zx10 is a Vega with a killer small block twisting 8 grand and the zx14 is a 70 Caddy with a warmed over 472 cube motor with A/C ....Each one is fun in its own way but totaly different ..
but thats not the question ... this is which one is faster zx14 or zx10 on the dragstrip 1/4 mile
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posted June 03, 2008 11:08 AM
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ha, look at the zx10 torque! only 77 lbf ...no wonder it does not do well in the 1/4 mile .It only has oomph with the needle planted near the red line,not a lot of useable power!
the king still reigns where it counts the most.... also those 1 litre bikes do not respond that well to modifications, put a new pipe and pc and you would be lucky to get an extra 7 hp !!with a busa ,you looking at 15 ponies and weight saving of more than 30 lb whereas zx10's
weight saving would be next to nothing. Line them up modded and i can have a good laugh...
Better rethink that part about only gaining 7 hp with a pipe on the zx10 ... The 08 zx10 has been picking up 15 to 16 hp with a pipe and p/c and saved 14 pounds of dead weight...2 cats and two muffles have the new 08 zx10 plugged up real bad ....The reason most people are going to be faster in the 1/4 on a busa or zx14 is because the zx10 is so damn short !!! The zx10 in stock form is a wheely king .. I ran a 9.97 on my stone stock 08 zx10 and that was with the front tire off the ground most of the track ..It was half track before i could get full throttle ... ( Just Ask Steve ) ....My zx14 is now setting at 61 1/2 inch wheel base and with very little set time the numbers are very very close to my zx14 setting at 64 inches ..
I will agree for most people that the busa / zx14 will be easier to get a good number at the 1/4 mile ...But line up your Busa / zx14 with a zx10 and a rider with some skills and you are going to be very unhappy with the outcome...If you think a liter bike can't out run a Busa / zx14 in stock form in the 1/4 mile all you have to do is look at AMA Prostar Super Sport class... The busa and zx14s run 9.teens to 9.20s while the zx10s and Gixxers are 8.90s to 9.0s ...
do i see smokey crawfishing or jumping ship ...just not to long ago you was telling me NO 1K COULD OUT RUN A ZX14/BUSA
No ship jumping ...My zx14 is king in my house... The zx10 is a fun little bike but for overall riding i'll pick the zx14 hands down ...I look at them this way , a zx10 is a Vega with a killer small block twisting 8 grand and the zx14 is a 70 Caddy with a warmed over 472 cube motor with A/C ....Each one is fun in its own way but totaly different ..
but thats not the question ... this is which one is faster zx14 or zx10 on the dragstrip 1/4 mile
I don't have that answer yet ... I have not gone to the 1/4 mile to find out ..
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posted June 03, 2008 11:19 AM
zx10 will be once he dials it in. Simple horsepower to weight issue once he is able to properly put that power down for the entire run... though by that time the 10 wont be very streetable, while the 14 could still take him on a cross state backroads trip I bet.
I wonder if the 14 motor would fit in a 10 frame....
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posted June 03, 2008 11:51 AM
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ha, look at the zx10 torque! only 77 lbf ...no wonder it does not do well in the 1/4 mile .It only has oomph with the needle planted near the red line,not a lot of useable power!
the king still reigns where it counts the most.... also those 1 litre bikes do not respond that well to modifications, put a new pipe and pc and you would be lucky to get an extra 7 hp !!with a busa ,you looking at 15 ponies and weight saving of more than 30 lb whereas zx10's
weight saving would be next to nothing. Line them up modded and i can have a good laugh...
Better rethink that part about only gaining 7 hp with a pipe on the zx10 ... The 08 zx10 has been picking up 15 to 16 hp with a pipe and p/c and saved 14 pounds of dead weight...2 cats and two muffles have the new 08 zx10 plugged up real bad ....The reason most people are going to be faster in the 1/4 on a busa or zx14 is because the zx10 is so damn short !!! The zx10 in stock form is a wheely king .. I ran a 9.97 on my stone stock 08 zx10 and that was with the front tire off the ground most of the track ..It was half track before i could get full throttle ... ( Just Ask Steve ) ....My zx14 is now setting at 61 1/2 inch wheel base and with very little set time the numbers are very very close to my zx14 setting at 64 inches ..
I will agree for most people that the busa / zx14 will be easier to get a good number at the 1/4 mile ...But line up your Busa / zx14 with a zx10 and a rider with some skills and you are going to be very unhappy with the outcome...If you think a liter bike can't out run a Busa / zx14 in stock form in the 1/4 mile all you have to do is look at AMA Prostar Super Sport class... The busa and zx14s run 9.teens to 9.20s while the zx10s and Gixxers are 8.90s to 9.0s ...
If i remember right, Brocks 08 busa went 8.9 wiyh just a pipe and stock wheelbase and a zx14 went 9.0....
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posted June 03, 2008 12:01 PM
pipe and lowered actually. That lowering makes a HUGE difference on any top heavy sport bike!
Though in all my years of street riding I have only been in TWO races from a dead stop! Been in hundreds of them from a roll though... Hell, even when I'm at a stop light and a bike is next to me giving the signs of wanting to race, I still hold off a full race launch to make sure he is serious about it. Hate looking like a fool and being the only one to blast away from the light. 
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posted June 03, 2008 01:31 PM
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posted June 03, 2008 01:31 PM
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ha, look at the zx10 torque! only 77 lbf ...no wonder it does not do well in the 1/4 mile .It only has oomph with the needle planted near the red line,not a lot of useable power!
the king still reigns where it counts the most.... also those 1 litre bikes do not respond that well to modifications, put a new pipe and pc and you would be lucky to get an extra 7 hp !!with a busa ,you looking at 15 ponies and weight saving of more than 30 lb whereas zx10's
weight saving would be next to nothing. Line them up modded and i can have a good laugh...
Better rethink that part about only gaining 7 hp with a pipe on the zx10 ... The 08 zx10 has been picking up 15 to 16 hp with a pipe and p/c and saved 14 pounds of dead weight...2 cats and two muffles have the new 08 zx10 plugged up real bad ....The reason most people are going to be faster in the 1/4 on a busa or zx14 is because the zx10 is so damn short !!! The zx10 in stock form is a wheely king .. I ran a 9.97 on my stone stock 08 zx10 and that was with the front tire off the ground most of the track ..It was half track before i could get full throttle ... ( Just Ask Steve ) ....My zx14 is now setting at 61 1/2 inch wheel base and with very little set time the numbers are very very close to my zx14 setting at 64 inches ..
I will agree for most people that the busa / zx14 will be easier to get a good number at the 1/4 mile ...But line up your Busa / zx14 with a zx10 and a rider with some skills and you are going to be very unhappy with the outcome...If you think a liter bike can't out run a Busa / zx14 in stock form in the 1/4 mile all you have to do is look at AMA Prostar Super Sport class... The busa and zx14s run 9.teens to 9.20s while the zx10s and Gixxers are 8.90s to 9.0s ...
do i see smokey crawfishing or jumping ship ...just not to long ago you was telling me NO 1K COULD OUT RUN A ZX14/BUSA
No ship jumping ...My zx14 is king in my house... The zx10 is a fun little bike but for overall riding i'll pick the zx14 hands down ...I look at them this way , a zx10 is a Vega with a killer small block twisting 8 grand and the zx14 is a 70 Caddy with a warmed over 472 cube motor with A/C ....Each one is fun in its own way but totaly different ..
but thats not the question ... this is which one is faster zx14 or zx10 on the dragstrip 1/4 mile
I don't have that answer yet ... I have not gone to the 1/4 mile to find out ..
ok i'll let you do more testing ...but how many zx14 or busa kills its gonna take to get a answer
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posted June 03, 2008 01:48 PM
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ha, look at the zx10 torque! only 77 lbf ...no wonder it does not do well in the 1/4 mile .It only has oomph with the needle planted near the red line,not a lot of useable power!
the king still reigns where it counts the most.... also those 1 litre bikes do not respond that well to modifications, put a new pipe and pc and you would be lucky to get an extra 7 hp !!with a busa ,you looking at 15 ponies and weight saving of more than 30 lb whereas zx10's
weight saving would be next to nothing. Line them up modded and i can have a good laugh...
Better rethink that part about only gaining 7 hp with a pipe on the zx10 ... The 08 zx10 has been picking up 15 to 16 hp with a pipe and p/c and saved 14 pounds of dead weight...2 cats and two muffles have the new 08 zx10 plugged up real bad ....The reason most people are going to be faster in the 1/4 on a busa or zx14 is because the zx10 is so damn short !!! The zx10 in stock form is a wheely king .. I ran a 9.97 on my stone stock 08 zx10 and that was with the front tire off the ground most of the track ..It was half track before i could get full throttle ... ( Just Ask Steve ) ....My zx14 is now setting at 61 1/2 inch wheel base and with very little set time the numbers are very very close to my zx14 setting at 64 inches ..
I will agree for most people that the busa / zx14 will be easier to get a good number at the 1/4 mile ...But line up your Busa / zx14 with a zx10 and a rider with some skills and you are going to be very unhappy with the outcome...If you think a liter bike can't out run a Busa / zx14 in stock form in the 1/4 mile all you have to do is look at AMA Prostar Super Sport class... The busa and zx14s run 9.teens to 9.20s while the zx10s and Gixxers are 8.90s to 9.0s ...
If i remember right, Brocks 08 busa went 8.9 wiyh just a pipe and stock wheelbase and a zx14 went 9.0....
Brocks 08 Busa was NOT Super Sport legal , Had it been legal it would have not run that fast ... If you would take the time to read what Brock said about his 08 busa you would have read that the air was the best even seen at a drag strip ....Plus the bike was under weigh for Super Sport class and was using fuel that is not legal ...
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posted June 03, 2008 04:26 PM
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Well take a step back here .... Both Brock and Ricky said in STOCK form the 08 is pig rich on the top end .........................
Regardless of the A/F, the 08 made more power BONE STOCK, according to Rickey Gadson in a thread on Psychobike where he wrote:
"The best 06 I had on my dyno put out 169 with no miles and 173 with a bike that was broke in which belong to sonny.
But on the average they had about 166-168hp brand new with 104.4 ft-lbs of torque.
The 2008 with 11 miles made 174.5 hp and 108.9 ft-lbs of torque, with the air fuel dropping to 10.8af at 11000rpm, and where it made peak power which was 9750rpm, the air fuel was already 12.2 and falling.
So there you have it
174.5hp vs 169hp
108.9 vs 104.4 torque"
You remember this thread - right? I hope so, 'cause you posted just a few posts after that one.
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posted June 03, 2008 05:57 PM
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Well take a step back here .... Both Brock and Ricky said in STOCK form the 08 is pig rich on the top end .........................
Regardless of the A/F, the 08 made more power BONE STOCK, according to Rickey Gadson in a thread on Psychobike where he wrote:
"The best 06 I had on my dyno put out 169 with no miles and 173 with a bike that was broke in which belong to sonny.
But on the average they had about 166-168hp brand new with 104.4 ft-lbs of torque.
The 2008 with 11 miles made 174.5 hp and 108.9 ft-lbs of torque, with the air fuel dropping to 10.8af at 11000rpm, and where it made peak power which was 9750rpm, the air fuel was already 12.2 and falling.
So there you have it
174.5hp vs 169hp
108.9 vs 104.4 torque"
You remember this thread - right? I hope so, 'cause you posted just a few posts after that one.
Same dyno but two different times of the year ...It was freezing when Ricky did the 08 numbers ... So i can see it reading 5 hp more on that day .. The bikes need to be on the dyno same day one right after the other ...
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posted June 03, 2008 06:07 PM
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Well take a step back here .... Both Brock and Ricky said in STOCK form the 08 is pig rich on the top end .........................
Regardless of the A/F, the 08 made more power BONE STOCK, according to Rickey Gadson in a thread on Psychobike where he wrote:
"The best 06 I had on my dyno put out 169 with no miles and 173 with a bike that was broke in which belong to sonny.
But on the average they had about 166-168hp brand new with 104.4 ft-lbs of torque.
The 2008 with 11 miles made 174.5 hp and 108.9 ft-lbs of torque, with the air fuel dropping to 10.8af at 11000rpm, and where it made peak power which was 9750rpm, the air fuel was already 12.2 and falling.
So there you have it
174.5hp vs 169hp
108.9 vs 104.4 torque"
You remember this thread - right? I hope so, 'cause you posted just a few posts after that one.
Same dyno but two different times of the year ...It was freezing when Ricky did the 08 numbers ... So i can see it reading 5 hp more on that day .. The bikes need to be on the dyno same day one right after the other ...
i remember the 08 zx14 vs 08 busa dyno runs someone posted as soon as they got both bikes together wasn't the 08zx14 around 159hp and the 08 busa around 177hp same day same time testing
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posted June 04, 2008 09:06 AM
All you guys are missing one very important detail....... Gearing.
Stock gearing for the 08 ZX-10R is only 181mph (so I've read)
Stock gearing for the 08 ZX-14 is 196mph (so I've read)
I'd like to see how strong the ZX-10R pulls through the gears with -3 teeth off the rear sprocket to match the ZX-14's stock gearing.
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posted June 04, 2008 09:27 AM
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Here is the results that got cut off when I cut and pasted Phantom.
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posted June 04, 2008 09:52 AM
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Most mortals will never be able to launch a 10 like the 14.
uncork them and equal weight riders
end of story.
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posted June 04, 2008 09:55 AM
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Here is the results that got cut off when I cut and pasted Phantom.
I did not realize the Duc won't go any faster than that
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posted June 04, 2008 10:35 AM
Been that way since it came out, but all the magazines have never made an issue out of it yet. Its geared for the numbers game, the 0-60 and 1/4 mile numbers that have always been its nemesis in the magazines. Guess they were tired of guys reading only the stats and going "!!?? A 1200 Bandit is faster than a 999R??!!" 
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posted June 04, 2008 03:09 PM
Well they could've waited and included the new V-Max cruiser bike
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posted June 05, 2008 03:27 AM
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Its interesting though, the busa and 14 had the 2 quickest quarter mile times.
Unfotunately I find it kinda sad that when the 14 came out in 06, one mag ( I still have the issues in my closet I think) dyno'd a 14 at 175 hp. They tested an 08 on the same dyno and it was 166-67 I believe. Most all the mags had it dancing around 170+. The 08 is generally running 6-8 hp below that it seems. And none of the 08 performance numbers have yet to match...let alone beat the 06-07 numbers. Everybodies finding that the 08 14 is ridiculously rich up top which is killing the peak power. I can't believe for 08 kawasaki slowed the 14 down  Maybe they'll have a recall on it to get the mapping corrected lol
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posted June 05, 2008 03:56 AM
Well if I see those numbers.....the ZX14 IS the fastest one in the long run. Maybe not as good as a ZX10 on 1/4 mile races but.....it is the fastest, so the question is answered.
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posted June 05, 2008 05:40 AM
no Kikon, its only "fastest" because the 10 is short geared. Gear them accordingly and the 10's better/narrower aerodynamics would probably allow it to go faster. If handling issues didnt pop up that is.
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posted June 05, 2008 08:36 AM
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no Kikon, its only "fastest" because the 10 is short geared. Gear them accordingly and the 10's better/narrower aerodynamics would probably allow it to go faster. If handling issues didnt pop up that is.
if you could get behind that little tiny wind screen.....
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posted June 05, 2008 12:07 PM
No way in hell I could Famous 1, thats the job of one of the smaller guys on here.
... I couldn't fully get behind a Gold Wings windscreens myself ...
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posted June 05, 2008 12:09 PM
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No way in hell I could Famous 1, thats the job of one of the smaller guys on here.
... I couldn't fully get behind a Gold Wings windscreens myself ...
LOL, then there is the answer......ZX14 is faster. All this discussion was based on stock bone bikes, so ...... no mods possible, which means.... ZX14 THE Fastest
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