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posted April 26, 2008 02:10 AM
 Edited By: kawabunga on 26 Apr 2008 03:11
First off...this was not a Muzzy add...second...I am not going to say anything about Muzzy products or anyone elses unless it is true. I am here to help you guys that use the " trusty " internet to aquire misinformation. I deal with customers every day that come in and say " I saw on the internet, yadada yadda yadda ". There is about as much good information as bad information on the net. Some of us were building motorcycles 20-30 years before the internet. We all know that anyone that has a bad experience with anything always has bad things to say and the net just gives people another alternative besides telling their buddies about an issue, now they can tell the world, as well as make up things.
Here is what I don't understand about this thread. There has been some selective reading, kind of like selective hearing.
I recommended the filter for those that raced or were serious about there motors. Oil and filter should be changed every 3k miles or less. Anyone changing their oil and not the filter is asking for trouble. Anyone using a filter for more than 3k miles is in the same boat. One should use common sense in the care of their motorcycles.
How many miles a year do usually put on your bike in a year?
Do you take the bike to the strip or do track days?
Have you read the owners manual?
Do you own a factory shop manual for your bike?
Do you work on it or have someone else do your work?
From what I have read on other threads concerning oil...most people are more concerned with cost than care of their motorcycle. You have to pay to play. Don't complain about bad experiences or bash peoples products until you have all the evidence. Assume nothing.
Some of you guys make it sound like it's a lot of trouble to maintain your motorcycles.
I wonder if I put out on the net that "' as a scientist and spectro analysis expert I have found that all oils on the market now due to the high cost per barrel are contaminated with microscopic metal bits to help destroy your engine to sell more cars because the oil & car companies are sleeping together ".
Maybe someone should manufacture a SS Internet Filter that will take out all the contaminated information.
  
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posted April 26, 2008 03:47 AM
Anyone actually running one of these on a 14 with an aftermarket exhaust? Are the deminsions the same as the the stock filter?
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posted April 26, 2008 04:43 AM
Cool....
Anyone remember the Purolator oil filters that were on recall years back....
They are a standard filter supplied to every auto parts manufacturer across north america...
They Blew motors lft right and center...
Big Re-call.
I worked for CTC when we send filters back...
It was done very quietly...
If it is man made it can screw up guys...
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posted April 26, 2008 06:24 AM
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How many miles a year do usually put on your bike in a year? it varies a lot
Do you take the bike to the strip or do track days? strictly a street bike
Have you read the owners manual? yes, cover to cover
Do you own a factory shop manual for your bike? yes, and read cover to cover
Do you work on it or have someone else do your work? yes, anything beyond bolt ons then it goes to orient.
well, that little questionnaire was aimed at diminishing my claims. i have already posted up enough on the first page, and none of my concerns were directly addressed.
im wondering if REAL shops use this on REAL bikes, not some shade tree mechanic nobody has ever heard of. Muzzys? Schnitz? Orient? COBY?
this could be an informative thread if people contributed with direct specifics. i have already posted up everything i know on the first page, so there is not much left for me to say. perhaps ill just sit back now, and watch kawabunga continue to spam the message boards, whoring products for Rob Muzzy like its his job.
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RACNRAY
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posted April 26, 2008 07:43 AM
Edited By: RACNRAY on 26 Apr 2008 08:44
I have used the scotts oil filter for bout 7 years now and have sold many to my customers. We have NEVER had an issue with them, and my personal 190+H.P. Busa has 57,000 miles on it, prolly 30,000+ of them with the scotts filter. Back in 2001 when we installed a scotts filter on a skoot with a factory digital coolant temp gauge we saw a 4-5 degree drop in coolant temps ,i'm sure due to the filters ability to shed more heat from the oil than a stock steel case filter. We have seen that drop on all skoots with digital temp gauges, and that cooler running motor is surely appreciated down here in south florida in the summer.
About 5000 miles ago(with 52,000 miles total and about 47,000 miles on the 1363cc kit) i pulled my Busa motor apart to re-ring and freshen it up. I went to lighter con rods so bottom end disassembly allowed me to examine main and rod bearings. I know that peeps put ALOT of importance on the filters ability to trap particles down to the very small micron sizes as mentioned before. I found absolutely no evidence in the bearings, the journal surfaces, or ANYWHERE in the engine for that matter that would suggest that the filter was allowing particles thru that were large enuff to cause excessive wear or damage. Remember this motor had been running with the scott's filter for 30,000+ miles.
We do quite a bit of big twin harley work and these filters help TREMENDOUSLY on those old air-cooled dinosaurs in heat reduction.
This filter has proven itself to me and my customers to be a good product. Some peeps find it hard if not impossible to pay $120+ for an oil filter, but some do realize the benefits and get to enjoy them.
BTW... so far the filters for honda,kawasaki and yamaha are the same, so u by one for one of those skoots and you can transfer it to a new skoot of the same or one of the other 2 brands...NEAT!!!
HOPE THIS HELPS
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posted April 26, 2008 07:47 AM
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Anyone actually running one of these on a 14 with an aftermarket exhaust? Are the deminsions the same as the the stock filter?
YES... i had a scotts filter on my 14 with a Brock street meg..no problem with clearance.
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posted April 26, 2008 08:03 AM
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Countersteer, I think you got lyed to. There is NO WAY that an oil filter that had as few miles as you say yours had on it clogged up enough to starve your motor for oil, unless there was some other underlying issue. Use your brain man and dont just blindly listen to someone. THINK!! As far as this being a Muzzy Ad. Do you say the same thing about post about Brocks stuff?? TRUST ME there are some people on here getting free stuff from Brock too, as a matter of fact the person who has had the most info and strongest recomendation for Brocks merchandise gets his stuff for free. Just food for thought.
And who would that be.....?
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posted April 26, 2008 08:05 AM
A filter that allows the passing 35-40 micron debris? WTF, why don't we just fill our engines with sand and metal filings and get it over with? 
I used to run SS filters that stopped down to 5 microns . . .
Does anybody here remember, other than CounterSteer, that these engines share their oil and filter with a GEARBOX and CLUTCH? The friction material alone makes me cringe, that is why I like to change the filters twice as often as the oil itself.
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posted April 26, 2008 09:11 AM
Thanks Ray, I was worried about the fit with my SMEG. 5 degrees? Damn thats a lot of shedded heat.
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posted April 26, 2008 09:37 AM
It says on schnitz's web site on the ordering area for zx-14 that ryan schnitz and rob muzzy use and recommend the kawasaki oem filter exclusively. personally i consider a $120 shiny oil filter to be BLING. i use oem kawasaki filters in my zx-14.
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posted April 26, 2008 10:34 AM
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Countersteer, I think you got lyed to. There is NO WAY that an oil filter that had as few miles as you say yours had on it clogged up enough to starve your motor for oil, unless there was some other underlying issue. Use your brain man and dont just blindly listen to someone. THINK!! As far as this being a Muzzy Ad. Do you say the same thing about post about Brocks stuff?? TRUST ME there are some people on here getting free stuff from Brock too, as a matter of fact the person who has had the most info and strongest recomendation for Brocks merchandise gets his stuff for free. Just food for thought.
And who would that be.....?
I will let him tell you if he wants to... I think Countersteer is DELUDED sponsorship is a great thing for the motorcycle industry and helps a lot of budget racers out. In my case I sure dont appreciate being called a whore, when it makes NO SENSE, I already had a Brock SMEG I didnt NEED another pipe, I also EXPRESSLY told Mr. Muzzy that if the pipe he sent me did not perform on par with the Brocks then I would be taking it off and putting the Brock pipe back on, and I would be letting people know. The only promise I made to Mr. Muzzy was that before I said anything negative about his merchandise I would let him know first. But the bottom line is just like I said 2 years ago when I said the Brocks SMEG made more power then EVERY exhaust I tested ( I PAID FOR MY SMEG) I can now say the the New M-14 pipe made more power and more MPH then my SMEG. I also expect more from the M-10 canister. Now with all that being said Countersteer we have been through this before, a couple of years ago. I will say it again stop being a PRICK!!! if Joe Hahn gave you free stuff cause of all these great things you say about him, should we all say that the opposite is true? Also I know of one customer of Orient that was NOT HAPPY AT ALL!!! after he paid them and his motor blew up he put them on blast over on psychobike and they threatened to SUE him and wouldnt give him the parts that he already paid for, then he got banned from pstchobike and THE NEXT day Orient became a Sponsor... I myself say screw orient and I wont buy shit from them cause they dont give a shit about their customers.
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kawabunga
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posted April 26, 2008 05:06 PM
BM hit the nail right on the head. I to take offense to being called a whore without valid reasons. Backyard mechanic ? LMAO....I don't know how old you are Countersteer, but I have been a professional motorcycle mechanic for 36 years. The only thing I work on in my backyard is rest and relaxation. You sound a little stressed, maybe you should try some R & R, it may help you think clearer before you speak.
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posted April 27, 2008 12:49 AM
Edited By: countersteer on 27 Apr 2008 02:26
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posted April 27, 2008 06:42 AM
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posted April 27, 2008 07:50 AM
I agree with that comment, whatever it was . . . :P
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posted April 27, 2008 08:09 AM
someone mentioned magnetics capturing bits of metal in regards to filter - isn't that what we use our magnetized drain plug bolts for?
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posted April 27, 2008 08:24 AM
OH yeah..... Oh yeah...... yeah.... That's what i thought! LMFAO
This whole thread is fubar. Quit all the damn bickering and play like nice little children. I haven't run a SS filter, but have thought about it a lot. I find it funny that because someone had 1 experience, or they heard of someone else having another they automatically jump to conclusions. Like the Whole Fram oil filter thing. I can't say that that wasn't the reason for that shop's problems, but i can say that my 72 comet gt has a 351 windsor that was built in 1982 and it has always run cheap castrol oil and fram filters the entire time. Everyone has their own opinions. There is nothing wrong with stating them but quit the fucking bickering. I've been guilty of it too, but this shit has got to stop. Yes we understand that brocks makes some good shit and that a lot of people are loyal to him, but that doesn't mean that muzzys isn't capable of doing the same. I own neither, so i can step in and say that. And stop having penis envy because other people are sponsored. I know it sucks to have to buy your own shit, and you may not be trying to express your jealousy... but it's obvious to everyone.
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posted April 27, 2008 09:22 AM
Edited By: countersteer on 27 Apr 2008 10:30
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OH yeah..... Oh yeah...... yeah.... That's what i thought! LMFAO
This whole thread is fubar. Quit all the damn bickering and play like nice little children. I haven't run a SS filter, but have thought about it a lot. I find it funny that because someone had 1 experience, or they heard of someone else having another they automatically jump to conclusions. Like the Whole Fram oil filter thing. I can't say that that wasn't the reason for that shop's problems, but i can say that my 72 comet gt has a 351 windsor that was built in 1982 and it has always run cheap castrol oil and fram filters the entire time. Everyone has their own opinions. There is nothing wrong with stating them but quit the fucking bickering. I've been guilty of it too, but this shit has got to stop. Yes we understand that brocks makes some good shit and that a lot of people are loyal to him, but that doesn't mean that muzzys isn't capable of doing the same. I own neither, so i can step in and say that. And stop having penis envy because other people are sponsored. I know it sucks to have to buy your own shit, and you may not be trying to express your jealousy... but it's obvious to everyone.
you must be new here - "bickering" and pointing out blatant bullshit is what we do. as far as being jealous and having to buy my own shit? money has never been a problem when it comes to my bikes, and id rather do my own research and spend my own loot rather than get shit for free and make baseless claims on how great the product is. and secondly, youre out of line with that last post - dont ever fucking tell me to watch what i say.
i edited out a post i made @ 5am after a night of drinking in the hamptons. it was rather nasty, pointing out that this kawabunga guy is a nameless asshole. hes been wrenching for 36 years and is a nobody that no one has ever heard of. if you search through his posts youll find that they are all for sale ads - check it out. he is here for the sole purpose of making money, i guess i may be stupid for not trying to do the same.
anyway, i have posted up some technical concerns which have not been addressed. is someone going to step up to the plate and take me to school? it should be noted that i have attempted a somewhat intellectual position on this, and have only gotten half assed insult replies. if this is the game you want to play, ill gladly tear you a new fucking asshole in the smackhouse.
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kawabunga
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posted April 27, 2008 09:38 AM
ROTFLMAO
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posted April 27, 2008 09:40 AM
http://www.bikeland.org/board/search.php?q=&FID=&date=&UserName=kawabunga&action=search&Submit=Submit
so what say you? youre here to make a dollar, thats about it.
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posted April 27, 2008 09:43 AM
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ROTFLMAO
if Rob Muzzy sent you some free dildos, would you brag about how great they are? 
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posted April 27, 2008 11:17 AM
As long as i defend your country and support the fact that you can say what you like, I'll reserve my right to tell you to shut the fuck up anytime i want to. Pick and choose your battles. Thank you for letting us know of your bad experience though. I always appreciate it when people step in and let me know about what they found doesn't work. Personally i am still indifferent on the whole stainless filter and since my bike will be my #1 mode of transportation, i'll probably continue to use the stock filters. That being said, Kawabunga is proud of his bike and is damn sure to let everyone else know. Nothing wrong with that and had he not let everyone know that he is sponsored by muzzy, no one would have ever claimed that he was just advertising. Everyone here does that to a certain extent. It's only natural to Rep what you Ride. There are a SHIT TON of brocks fans that will talk their pipes up and trash muzzy all day. The same shit is going on at m109riders.com with DLP and RAW/TAZ .
P.S. Don't crack gay jokes when you own a bike with a fabulous purple and green chromic paintjob lol.
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posted April 27, 2008 11:26 AM
what exactly have you added to this thread, other than immature comments and naive assumptions?
id like to hear some tech specifics, not rambling off topic dribble.
P.S. my zx12r will shit all over your stock, flamed out zx14 - whats under the plastics is what counts.
and i think its so totally awesome that youre in the navy, thanks for letting everyone know.
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posted April 27, 2008 05:27 PM
$5 every 3000 miles X 20 = $100@60,000 when you break even not counting cleaning cost and time. pure one for me too.
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BlackMagic14
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posted April 27, 2008 05:40 PM
LMAO he got you with the paintjob LMAO remember this one from a while back... Tupac called he wants his mid nineties paintjob back LOL and countersteer I got a zx14 that ghetto ass chameleon zx12 wont shit all over. And gues what it has a shit load of Muzzy parts on it LOL now your excused countersteer you have our permission to make a few more stupid comments on this thread and then you are dissmissed.
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