jdzx14
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posted April 21, 2008 04:22 AM
60 ft vs speed vs et???
Hey guys, i have been trying to get faster the past year only by seat time, and well i have gotten faster but im kinda dissapointed, i just want your opinions. I am about 6ft 240lbs, i have a 07 14 with the mods below. Exept it is geared 16/43. I cant get any better than a 6.23 at 111..56mph. I am launching great. I am cutting 1.47&1.49's 60's every pass. Why is my mph so weak compared too everyone elses' on here. Im seeing 120's from alot of you, is it my weight, or my gearing. The bike feels good, i just dont understand. This is foot shifting by the way. I understand my weight will hurt me a little, but i want 5's!!!! I want to make nitrous the last step, but it will happen. Please throw in any input!! And yes i know i could go on a diet, but i am just a big guy, i never gain or loose, so thats not improving much...lol.
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ninja12
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posted April 21, 2008 04:26 AM
Try a airshifter, tyou'll be suprised at how much time you have in the 1/8.
If I had to guess I'd say you are missing the 1-2 shift point. That will kill your mph and ET,
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SteddyTeddy
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posted April 21, 2008 04:35 AM
What 's a full time slip look like. With those 60's you should be into the 5's.
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02zx12rbob
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posted April 21, 2008 05:09 AM
240 lbs.... stock motor....5's....maybe not impossible, but maybe it could be done. Personally I'd spray  . Good 60' btw..
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smokinzx14
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posted April 21, 2008 05:46 AM
We need to see a time ticket ... Your 60s are where they need to be so i'm betting your 330 times are off .... Shift points are very very important to good MPH..... You need to get it right at 11200 on your Tac and shift it without bumping the limiter ... You also need to have the throttle pinned and clutch out just a few feet passed the tree ....You should be 6.0s at 119 or so with the 60 times you have now ..
I would look into an air shifter and a good shift lite ....
I think you are going very good so far for being 240 pounds ... Just keep working on it and you will get there ....
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jdzx14
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posted April 21, 2008 08:41 AM
Im at work right know, but i will post it when i get off. Is there anyway someone can post there slip with a 60' about the same? But i think you guys are right cause im so focused on the launch i am not paying good enough attention to 1-2 shift rpm's. But i will post it after 5pm. Thanks guys.
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jdzx14
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posted April 21, 2008 08:46 AM
Also, would you guys use an air shifter or a quickshifter, and does the quickshifter actually shift it or does it just kill ignition and fuel? Im thinking no bottle no compressor, sounds good to me, that way when i get nitrous, i only have to have one bottle.
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posted April 21, 2008 09:01 AM
get a Brocks pipe!
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jdzx14
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posted April 21, 2008 09:02 AM
I knew that was coming...there so high, and im on a budget....maybe one day.
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nicks14
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posted April 21, 2008 09:14 AM
also check your clutches and tire pressures, too low tire pressure will kill your mph! especially if you are on the heavy side! i weigh 240 myself!
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SteddyTeddy
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posted April 21, 2008 09:15 AM
Well my bike had about 20hp and 15ft-lbs less than the 14 but one of my 6.20 passes looks like this:
60' 1.523
330' 4.061
1/8 6.206
MPH 114.22
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flatoutbu
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posted April 21, 2008 09:28 AM
JDzx14...I was about your same weight last year and had roughly the same time. I would run in the 6.0's and high 5's. I was about 245 suited with 1.42-1.43's 60's. My track didnt have very good prep and i would have to air down to 8-10 psi and only mph around 147-148. Weight plays a big factor in it as well as track prep and altitude. I went on a diet over the winter and down to 185 pounds so i will see how much a differance it makes when i get another chance to run again. The best i seen last year was a 9.23 on pump gas with 16/43 gearing also
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jdzx14
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posted April 21, 2008 10:19 AM
See im hooking at 18lbs of pressure, but i havent tried anything higher. It has to be in my 330ft time, i think mine was like 4.330, but i will look.
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BlackMagic14
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posted April 21, 2008 12:40 PM
If it is 4.330 then that is your problem I agree with what was said earlier you are plobably short shifting the 1-2 shift... off subject but I am curious if anyolne knows I am trying to set up my HJUB to shut off the nitrous before I shift, and my question is when I set it to shut off at a certain RPM do I need to set it to shut off at ACTUAL RPM or the RPM that shows on the tach? i.e. if I shift at 11,200 indicated and want the nitrous to shut off at 11,000 indicated do I program the HUB at 11,000 or at the 10,500 or so that is the actual RPM when the tach is reading 11,000? thanks
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FastBlur
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posted April 21, 2008 01:18 PM
 Edited By: FastBlur on 21 Apr 2008 14:26
You are doing very good, but at 240 I don't see you getting much more than 115-118 mph in the 1/8. To get in the 5's at 240 lbs. you need 60' times in the low 1.40's and the 330' to be in the 3.90's at the very least. An aishifter is a good start but if you already hit the gears fast you will not see a major improvement. Also find a seat off a wrecked 14 for cheap and have somebody shave it down for you. The seat will lower your center of gravity and help on the 60' times as well as the top end because you can get down below the windscreen more. I know you don't want to resort to nitrous yet but a little 30 shot will put you right down in the 5's no problem.
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jdzx14
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posted April 21, 2008 01:28 PM
Ok, i have another question then, when i launch i usually rev to about 8-9k and then full throttle while slipping the clutch slightly, but i have notice a few other riders leave at idle then nail it wide open, which is better, to me it seems better to be ready and in positoin, they seem so relaxed. My bike stays straight every time, and doesn't wheelie hardly ever. I know there is more left in it. Im the problem, a shift light would help, will a raptor shift light work, i had one in my car and the instructions said it would work up too 14,000rpm. But back to the shifter, quickshifter or air?????
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Bently
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posted April 21, 2008 01:46 PM
Air shifter, I had quick shifter last year and this year air. Would recommend air over quick anyday.
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jdzx14
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posted April 21, 2008 02:50 PM
Ok here is the slip, typed sorry i dont have my camera at the moment.
60ft-1.4798
330ft-4.1214
1/8et-6.3430
mph-109.86
The 6.23 i ran was at a local track, which shows no 330 or mph...lol...very country. And will someone explain the difference's between the quickshifter and air????
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kawasakijockey
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posted April 21, 2008 03:24 PM
At that launch rpm you are not off the clutch until waaay out past the 60ft. This is the problem I will guarantee as it should wheelie like hell with a 1.4 60ft at 8grand if you let out the clutch inside the 60ft. 4500-5000 rpm for your weight and you should be off the lever by the 60 ft. My best 60ft is a 1.52 and I have foot shifted a 6.09 1/8th leaving at 4000rpm. I have figured this out in 4-5 times out on the 14 because I tried everything lol.
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johnnyrocketzx14
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posted April 21, 2008 05:56 PM
about the same boat here, i cant seem to get better than a 9.50 , i have a 6.15 1/8th @ 117-18mph my 60 is always 1.51-1.54 but i seem to have traction problems, i want a shinko but scared it wont always hook up and keep thinking i need a slick. even stranger i went from 17/43 to a 16/43 and my times are exactly the same(all of them) i am still foot shiftin, pump gas, 10lbs in rear, 205lbs suited. where is my 9.20s? thinking i need the n20/air shifter from Muzzy but dont want to be in the 9s with spray. I am lost
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ninja12
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posted April 21, 2008 06:31 PM
quote:
about the same boat here, i cant seem to get better than a 9.50 , i have a 6.15 1/8th @ 117-18mph my 60 is always 1.51-1.54 but i seem to have traction problems, i want a shinko but scared it wont always hook up and keep thinking i need a slick. even stranger i went from 17/43 to a 16/43 and my times are exactly the same(all of them) i am still foot shiftin, pump gas, 10lbs in rear, 205lbs suited. where is my 9.20s? thinking i need the n20/air shifter from Muzzy but dont want to be in the 9s with spray. I am lost
Try more air pressure in the rear tire, and yes most people go faster with a air shifter.
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SteddyTeddy
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posted April 22, 2008 04:49 AM
I wish a couple of you guys were local so I could have someone to woop on! Most of the time I run next to Smoken and you can guess how that turns out. LOL You must get your 330 times in the 3's if you want to hit 5's in the 1/8. Johnny don't know what tire your running now but the shinko u-soft is hard to beat for price and traction. It has far better traction that your strandard street sport tire.
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flatoutbu
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posted April 22, 2008 05:06 AM
I had to run low tire pressure because of track prep. They would only prep 60-80 foot out because that's all the bracket cars need'd. I would see good 60's but blow the tire off at the 200-300ft mark.
Go with the air shifter...i have one and hardly ever have any problems out of it. The quick shifter from what i hear is a little hard to set-up, but like everything some guys love it some hate it.
I use a michelin PP race (soft) and prefer this over the shinko because it hooks a little better and is 3 pounds lighter.
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jdzx14
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posted April 22, 2008 06:53 AM
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I wish a couple of you guys were local so I could have someone to woop on! Most of the time I run next to Smoken and you can guess how that turns out. LOL You must get your 330 times in the 3's if you want to hit 5's in the 1/8. Johnny don't know what tire your running now but the shinko u-soft is hard to beat for price and traction. It has far better traction that your strandard street sport tire.
Are you from Florida like Smokin? I would love to race somewhere else, all we have is 1/8 mile here, closest 1/4 is past Birmingham or Memphis.. Im gonna go to one soon, as far as my times go, i guess more pratice and more bolt ons is the next step, Thanks fellas.
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jdzx14
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posted April 22, 2008 06:58 AM
Oh and i dont care if i know you run a faster time, im gonna try my best.....cause you could possibly screw up.....hehe.....lol
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