meridian
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posted April 04, 2008 09:02 AM
Vegas Bike Rentals
Just wanted to plug werentmotorcycles.com for excellent service and choice of bikes available when in Vegas. Jack delivered the bike straight to my hotel and the process was quick and easy. Took a K1200s to the valley of fire which is a great day ride if drinking and gambling start to get to you when in Vegas! They don't have a 14 but do have Hayabusas, K series BMWs, and other sport bikes.
For the record, the 14 is so much better than the BMW at just about everything they are not even in the same league! No logo is worth that much!
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77 RD400, smoking is good for you
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posted April 04, 2008 11:03 AM
k1200S....
meridian:
Had a chance to ride a K1200s last year at a Daytona demo ride and thought the same thing. Apart from the slick operation of the electronic dampers which you can change will riding, I don't get them either. Then again, I think their cars are overpriced as well.
Ride safe...
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meridian
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posted April 04, 2008 02:22 PM
I used to own a K1200r and after a year traded for the then new zx14. The R version is basically the S without the fairings. In the year I owned it it was in for no less than 4 computer remaps and a brake recall. It never ran without a major lag in the throttle, which the 1200s I rented in Vegas had as well. The front suspension is extremely harsh as well. Basically a POS bike, which is unfortunate as it had a lot of potential.
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77 RD400, smoking is good for you
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86 GSXR 1100, first of the superbikes
79 kz650sr, just like back in the day
79 CBX, size matters
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vegasdude
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posted April 05, 2008 07:44 AM
 Edited By: vegasdude on 5 Apr 2008 09:39
I owned a 14 and I do own a K1200S. My bike in 12000 miles has ran perfect. How can you tell a bike is better than the 14 in one day.........simply you can't. The 12 is a sport tourer and is an overall better bike. When you learn to ride it, will handle just as good, if not better than the 14. Now I have a 08 busa and I love this bike too................Don't get me wrong, I like the 14, but the K1200 is an awesome bike too. And the 14's have not had their issues? My good friend has had two 14's and he's burning oil (both bikes)like it's going out of style and he takes good care of his bike. The 14's don't run hot? Mine sure did. My 12S runs cool all the time. Lets not even get into comfort; the 12 blows the 14 away in comfort. With my slip-on and a power commander the 12 made 153 hp and 89 pounds of torque (SAE) That's pretty decent power for a sport tourer. That's approaching stock pre 08 busas. All bikes have issues at one time or another, but all in all every manufacturer makes a pretty decent bike. Just to be fair, the 14 was the smoothest bike I have ever ridden and the brakes are just stellar. But, I decided to move on. The busa fits me better and I just like Busas better. Doesn't mean the busa is better, it's just that I like em better.
Let's see the features of the 12 S.
ABS brakes - fantastic brakes
Electronic suspension control that actually works
Built to handle luggage that doesn't cost an arm and a leg (look at corbin)
Shaft drive - On a multi day tour, no chain to mess with
Heated grips - Great for cold days
Wind protection - Much much better than the 14
Power - See above plenty of power
Build quality - absolutely better than the 14
Built in power source for your devices - gps and heated vest
Ease of getting to battery - on top of gas tank and two screws your there.
Looks? Look below and see for yourself. 12 looks way better.
Ergos - 12S has better Ergo
Handling - Both bikes handle great!
The 14 is better overall than the 12? Someone is speaking without knowing the full picture.
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hopeitsfast
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posted April 05, 2008 09:08 AM
Wow,someone a little defensive?
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meridian
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posted April 05, 2008 11:43 AM
Ok, OK, jeeeesh. I owned a 1200r for just over a year and I'm not embellishing the problems I had with the bike. BMW Canada actually assisted the dealer in buying the bike back from me as they couldn't sort the computer mapping in the bike. Now granted, it was first year out, but the bike never should have been released as is was as it wasn't ready. Also, anyone with access to internet knows I was not alone with these types of problems and recalls with the K series bikes, especially in the first 2 years of production. I was finding recall notices on the antilock brakes out of Australia nearly 2 months before US or Canada BMW knew there even was a recall. No excuses for that and well documented on the web.
Sorry, but I went through hell on that fricken bike and swore off BMW the day they bought it back. Your comments drug up a lot of frustrated feelings over those bikes that I thought I had forgotten about. Sorry if I offend you but I've owned over 25 bikes in my life of riding and have never had problems like the ones with the 1200r.
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06 black, muzzy's, pc3, screen, hugger, heel guards, grips, frame plugs, heli risers
77 RD400, smoking is good for you
80 Z1R, zx14 of 1980
86 GSXR 1100, first of the superbikes
79 kz650sr, just like back in the day
79 CBX, size matters
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dubious
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posted April 05, 2008 12:10 PM
I like your signature.... LOL
" 77 RD400, smoking is good for you" .... LOL
cbx... size matters...LOL
and the first superbike, 86gsxr1100,
I loved mine.... I was too young to be responsible enough, or to care to...
yes....I was once a 1980's mullet moshpit motorcycle maniac... 18 and invinceable at the time
I think we should have a mullet photo competition on the board....
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vegasdude
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posted April 05, 2008 03:47 PM
Edited By: vegasdude on 5 Apr 2008 16:49
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Wow,someone a little defensive?
Not defensive at all. I have a lot of experience with both bikes and wanted to set the record straight.................  Well, maybe a little defensive.......
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posted April 05, 2008 03:49 PM
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Ok, OK, jeeeesh. I owned a 1200r for just over a year and I'm not embellishing the problems I had with the bike. BMW Canada actually assisted the dealer in buying the bike back from me as they couldn't sort the computer mapping in the bike. Now granted, it was first year out, but the bike never should have been released as is was as it wasn't ready. Also, anyone with access to internet knows I was not alone with these types of problems and recalls with the K series bikes, especially in the first 2 years of production. I was finding recall notices on the antilock brakes out of Australia nearly 2 months before US or Canada BMW knew there even was a recall. No excuses for that and well documented on the web.
Sorry, but I went through hell on that fricken bike and swore off BMW the day they bought it back. Your comments drug up a lot of frustrated feelings over those bikes that I thought I had forgotten about. Sorry if I offend you but I've owned over 25 bikes in my life of riding and have never had problems like the ones with the 1200r.
Not offended at all. Some R's did have problems........but my S has been perfect..............just wanted to explain my side. You guys really take things quite well.........much appreciated............!
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posted April 05, 2008 04:00 PM
Vegasdude I think you got the wrong forum why are you comparing a BMW to a ZX14 and not the Concours? Confused? Lets see I know someone that knows someone that has had two 14s that used lots of oil, are you a comedian? Wake up, hello anybody home. Who needs to access the battery that often as compared to changing the oil?
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posted April 05, 2008 04:15 PM
Edited By: vegasdude on 5 Apr 2008 17:21
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Vegasdude I think you got the wrong forum why are you comparing a BMW to a ZX14 and not the Concours? Confused? Lets see I know someone that knows someone that has had two 14s that used lots of oil, are you a comedian? Wake up, hello anybody home. Who needs to access the battery that often as compared to changing the oil?
I have the right forum. Read the first post. The other guys got it...............I've been a member here a long time and I have the right post this. Why don't you do a little search and you'll find the person with the 2 14's. He posted up last week. Also the k12 is so good they back it up with a 3 year warranty.........name another that does that...........
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posted April 05, 2008 04:24 PM
read the entire thread before posting window licker... He stated that he had previously owned a 14. I agree on some of the things being superior to what is offered on the 14, but like it was stated earlier. Why compare the 14 to the K? It's a sport tour so it's like comparing apples and oranges. what the 14 lacks in creature comforts, it MORE than makes up for in performance.
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vegasdude
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posted April 05, 2008 04:43 PM
Nicely said........that's why I have a Busa.....!!!
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posted April 05, 2008 05:20 PM
VEGASDUDE I must be dense as I still don't follow your train of thought. I have reread your post comparing the 1200s to the 14 and not the concours 14 doesn't make sense. Your trying to muck up 14 shortcomings so called to the K1200s a shaft drive sport tourer and not another sport tourer like the concours and then add the K8 busa for comparison also. 14s overheat? don't know of any maybe you are talking about the bars on the panel if you read the manual it is at 190 degrees when the fan kicks on. That is not overheating or that it can boil over if after shutting off in 108 degree temps, well leave the key on for a minute problem solved, big deal.
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posted April 05, 2008 05:22 PM
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posted April 05, 2008 05:22 PM
So that you can get less comfort and equal speed? lol how does that work?  Congrats on the new busa. That's a beautiful bike and i can't wait to run one. I got the pleasure of riding one in florida and it was a beast. Loads of power everywhere, sometimes places that you don't want it lol. Post up some times soon. and enjoy the bike.
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posted April 05, 2008 08:21 PM
Nothing wrong with one coming in a ZX14 enthusiasts thread and after riding a BMW explain that in his opinion the 14 is better all around. In scorching FL I never had an overheat problem, and neither have any other 14 owners that post in here from FL.
I'm not into some of the benefits of the BMW such as luggage and ABS, not that the BMW is not a fine bike and all. I'd rather throw some bags on the badazz ZX14 and rip all hell
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posted April 05, 2008 08:31 PM
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posted April 05, 2008 10:10 PM
I have a 2007 zx14 and had a k1200r for 2 1/2 years, I sold it to get the 14. much prefer the zx14. ergos a little better on the bmw - my zx has vortex rearsets and helibars. As has been said, fueling is an issue with the bmw. Very choppy under 4k and there has been at least 5 software updates to address this problem. zx14 is much smoother, faster and with the ohlins rear and axxion 20/20 fronts, handles better imho.
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meridian
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posted April 06, 2008 07:35 AM
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I have a 2007 zx14 and had a k1200r for 2 1/2 years, I sold it to get the 14. much prefer the zx14. ergos a little better on the bmw - my zx has vortex rearsets and helibars. As has been said, fueling is an issue with the bmw. Very choppy under 4k and there has been at least 5 software updates to address this problem. zx14 is much smoother, faster and with the ohlins rear and axxion 20/20 fronts, handles better imho.
Do the Vortex rear sets give more leg room? Its the only complaint I have with mine (I also have the heli bars which made a big difference) as I'm 6-2 and it gets a little cramped after a few hours. I sport tour with the 14 as I did with the 1200r and find the 14 much better, especially with a double bubble screen. Anyone who says you cant tour on a 14 hasn't tried it yet!
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77 RD400, smoking is good for you
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86 GSXR 1100, first of the superbikes
79 kz650sr, just like back in the day
79 CBX, size matters
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posted April 06, 2008 08:26 AM
Nothing like a couple days at some car races to miss out on a good thread...
In the end people ride/own what they like. Meridian expressed his personal experiences/views which I supported based on my impressions from riding a particular BMW. I just never saw the value for BMW bikes relative to other options, but somebody else....loves them. Just for laughs, I sold a half decent sport tourer (FJR1300) to get the 14 so I do know a thing or two about long haul trips and heated grips. For me the 14 has been the best all around bike I've had for the combination of riding I do. Everybody votes with their checkbook in the end. Just depends on what you want.
Ride safe....
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Leo Vince 4-2-1 w/ carbon can
Sato frame sliders
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posted April 06, 2008 11:00 AM
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Do the Vortex rear sets give more leg room? Its the only complaint I have with mine (I also have the heli bars which made a big difference) as I'm 6-2 and it gets a little cramped after a few hours. I sport tour with the 14 as I did with the 1200r and find the 14 much better, especially with a double bubble screen. Anyone who says you cant tour on a 14 hasn't tried it yet!
the vortex rearsets, like all others are limited by the pipe(s).
about 1/2 " lower.
Now that I will not have any pipes on it, I can reap full benefit.
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posted April 06, 2008 03:32 PM
there are other rental agencies in Vegas...
THey have sport bikes uoto 750's... Helova line up for the bikes to.
Try Red rock canyon next visit. Death valley. Grand canyon... Up thru the mountains...
Do it in the spring. Way 2 dam hot in the summer...
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posted April 07, 2008 06:37 AM
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Do the Vortex rear sets give more leg room? Its the only complaint I have with mine (I also have the heli bars which made a big difference) as I'm 6-2 and it gets a little cramped after a few hours. I sport tour with the 14 as I did with the 1200r and find the 14 much better, especially with a double bubble screen. Anyone who says you cant tour on a 14 hasn't tried it yet!
the vortex rearsets, like all others are limited by the pipe(s).
about 1/2 " lower.
Now that I will not have any pipes on it, I can reap full benefit.
I have the brock's smeg and I get about 3/4 of an inch. I am also 6"2 and find the bike very comfortable for long rides- have done many 300 to 350 mile rides in a day comfortably.
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