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posted February 21, 2008 04:54 AM
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Great data and information Smokin' and Jesse. I assume that Dave is now including the larger fitting now with the kits and like you, I am not liking the pump but that won't make me not purchase that kit simply because of that.
Sorry about the bike drop too.
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ninja12
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posted February 21, 2008 08:05 AM
I think you said you make some changes to the standard kit.
Care to explain.
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posted February 21, 2008 09:05 AM
Edited By: smokinzx14 on 21 Feb 2008 09:07
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Thanks for keeping us posted Smokin!
Is 300 HP on PUMP FUEL acheivable with proper pistons?
What are u using to pull timing out?
I often am 400 miles away from home, or truck and trailer.
If a high quality evac pump is used , do you feel I should be concerned?
Should I focus solely on a system with turbo placed higher, deleting the evac pump?
I am ready to pull the trigger on a Tuyrbo this week, still undecided on which system.
300 streetable HP on pump fuel with external wastegate using FMU is my target.
I would prefer to stay away from complexity of piggyback fuel system if possible, but may wish to use progressive boost control, thus the desire for flexibility of future changes with external wastegate, and piggy back fuel injectors down the road possibly.
Do you think 300 HP is reasonable with FMU and stock injectors?
Thanks,
Lyle
Lyle I would like a turbo without the Evac if possible myself ..But like a said a better type of pump it should be just fine ... 280 on pump gas is fine in my mind If you pull a little timing ( shintz box will do the trick for you )... 300 HP in pump gas at this point may be a little a little much for pump gas ..) 110 fuel would be no problem with 300 hp ...But that can be costly .... 300 hp with Daves modded factory pump and FMU will be just fine with more octane. We hit 303 HP on c16 and the map was spot on A/F ratio ...( very safe ) ... You can add fuel for higher boost level with a simple VW rabbit cold start injector , by using a hobbs switch from radio shack you can trigger it for the added boost levels ..It's cheap and easy to add the the system .. Smokin..
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posted February 21, 2008 09:10 AM
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Great data and information Smokin' and Jesse. I assume that Dave is now including the larger fitting now with the kits and like you, I am not liking the pump but that won't make me not purchase that kit simply because of that.
Sorry about the bike drop too.
He didn't offer a bigger fittings ..The problem was the size of the waste gate outlet was to small and he opened it up by 25 % and fixed the system ..His new kits will have that allready done ..Smokin
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posted February 21, 2008 09:17 AM
Edited By: smokinzx14 on 21 Feb 2008 09:19
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I think you said you make some changes to the standard kit.
Care to explain.
Yes we added an external
waste gate so we could use a boost controller ..The other add on was a Coby Adams pan and that had nothing to do with the turbo kit ...As hard as we are planning to run this system we wanted more oil in the pan.. The oil system now uses 5.75 QTs of oil Vs the factory 4.3 ...Smokin ...
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posted February 21, 2008 04:31 PM
great job guys!
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posted February 21, 2008 09:03 PM
Smokin... First of all... Thanks for taking the time to get the info out to all of us. I know it was bad enough to work the long hours on installation.... and on the trouble shooting... but to actually take the time to answer all of the questions etc... is above and beyond. Thanks... and Secondly... I am sorry about your bike. It really stinks to take so much time keeping it perfect... and then to drop it and get the scratches is a downer. (no pun intended)... Thanks again... and have fun riding next week!!
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posted February 25, 2008 07:53 AM
anymore times on this setup?
I almost hate to ask this, because my CC is getting hot and "I don't need a turbo'.
I don't need a turbo, i don't need a turbo......
Hope this helps you guys because it's not working for me.
I want a turbo! 
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posted February 25, 2008 04:57 PM
Jesse did make one pass at BMP 1/4 mile track ....It was a nice and easy pass that netted a 8.75 @ 161 ... But the bike blew black smoke out of the pipe like it was a diesel truck .. So we stopped till we could find the problem ...
What we found out was we had 140 PSI at the injectors !!!!!!! That's 60 more PSI than was needed !!! We stopped till we can get it back on the dyno and get the fueling problem sorted out ...More to come soon ....
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posted February 25, 2008 07:12 PM
I've been told anything over 90 psi could lock the injectors, is that true?
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posted February 26, 2008 04:51 AM
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I've been told anything over 90 psi could lock the injectors, is that true?
I have 100 psi of fuel presure under boost ..... and alot of street miles on my bike !
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posted February 26, 2008 05:54 AM
140 psi on stock fuel pump?
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posted February 26, 2008 06:23 AM
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140 psi on stock fuel pump?
NO! Dave supplies you with a modded pump or equivalent.
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posted February 26, 2008 07:46 AM
Great job guys!!!
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posted February 26, 2008 09:41 AM
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I've been told anything over 90 psi could lock the injectors, is that true?
That's what we are hearing from the Pros ...Anything over 90 PSI will lock up the injectors ...On the street you may get away with it because you are not at full boost all of the time like you would be on the track ..
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posted February 26, 2008 05:09 PM
Edited By: iflyems on 26 Feb 2008 17:10
I have over 100psi of fuel pressure on the drag strip on mine, no problem either. Never heard of locking up the injectors.
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posted February 26, 2008 05:25 PM
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I have over 100psi of fuel pressure on the drag strip on mine, no problem either. Never heard of locking up the injectors.
Don't you think 140 psi is a bit more than 100 psi ?
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posted February 26, 2008 06:17 PM
The person giving the advise built and tuned last years Super Street winner so I think it would pay to take his advise. The bike they will be running this year is MUCH faster.
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posted February 26, 2008 06:41 PM
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I have over 100psi of fuel pressure on the drag strip on mine, no problem either. Never heard of locking up the injectors.
Don't you think 140 psi is a bit more than 100 psi ?
Smokin' I think he was referring to the guy that said that he heard of 90 psi or higher locking up the injectors.
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posted February 26, 2008 09:10 PM
What happened ? did i miss something .... We were told by one of the top turbo tuners that the 140 psi that Jesse turbo was set at would lock up the injectors and all we needed was around 80 psi ....He told us that he had seen injectors lockup and when it happens in his words ( bye bye piston )...... I'm just telling you what he said and judging from how fast he turbo bike runs i would say he knows what he is talking about ...Teddy and I both saw his SST turbo 1000 at 64 inches run so fast that if i told you would not believe it ...
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posted February 26, 2008 10:15 PM
Yeah I would take Johnny's advice for sure... he knows a thing or three about tuning a turbo. AND PICKING A GOOD CLASSY HONEST RIDER LMAO j/k
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posted February 26, 2008 11:53 PM
Edited By: ninja14 on 27 Feb 2008 00:23
It makes sense that you need enough fuel pressure overcome boost and get it delivered to the cylinder.......and not a bunch more - I have a pump that goes up to 125psi
My oil scavenge pump is electric with metal gears doing the actual pumping - about $300 - not cheesy - made to handle hot oil.
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posted February 27, 2008 04:59 AM
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It makes sense that you need enough fuel pressure overcome boost and get it delivered to the cylinder.......and not a bunch more - I have a pump that goes up to 125psi
My oil scavenge pump is electric with metal gears doing the actual pumping - about $300 - not cheesy - made to handle hot oil.
Lets see some pics of your setup!
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posted February 27, 2008 05:13 AM
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Yeah I would take Johnny's advice for sure... he knows a thing or three about tuning a turbo. AND PICKING A GOOD CLASSY HONEST RIDER LMAO j/k
His new rider looks to be all of about 100lbs. He looks like he is 14 years old but Johnny said he is 19. LOL Appairently the boy can ride!
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posted February 27, 2008 08:03 AM
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I have over 100psi of fuel pressure on the drag strip on mine, no problem either. Never heard of locking up the injectors.
Don't you think 140 psi is a bit more than 100 psi ?
Just a bit. Don't you have an adjustment on the fuel regulator?? I would think 100, or even 90 would be more than enough. I know when I make my runs, I watch both the fuel pressure, and the boost, but more so the fuel pressure.
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