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posted February 16, 2008 04:35 PM
So far just 8.80's at 168. Been busy with a move to another state, and work. I'll catch up with you someday, just really busy right now.
Brent, wasn't a jab at you at all, just a joke. Seems you wear your heart on your sleeve. Don't take it seriously, just get a fricking turbo and sell that mustang.
  
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posted February 16, 2008 04:46 PM
You got to be kidding me! At 400hp all you can pull out is 8.80 and you are givin smokin and lee hard times? What is up with your bike? It seems you should be working on your project. I mean not to get in the middle of anything but they are helping us out by supplying us with this info and for that we are thankful. Then here you go with your you should haves and could haves. I don't blame Jesse for getting a little touched. We got motor 14s running what you are running so for the rookie eye, your actions don't back up what you say! Now I know you know your shit but what if some noob hop on here. Just my 2 cents and sorry if I pissed anybody off! Thanks smoke and Jesse!
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posted February 16, 2008 05:02 PM
LOL, iflyhi man you are just too sensitive. I am just joking with you.....LMAO!
Trust me, I will keep the Mustang AND do the bike too. I hope it is faster than 8.80's though with a built motor and turbo kit.......he,he,he, he.........don't get mad at me. Smokin runs faster than that on just motor you know.
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iflyems
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posted February 16, 2008 05:29 PM
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You got to be kidding me! At 400hp all you can pull out is 8.80 and you are givin smokin and lee hard times? What is up with your bike? It seems you should be working on your project. I mean not to get in the middle of anything but they are helping us out by supplying us with this info and for that we are thankful. Then here you go with your you should haves and could haves. I don't blame Jesse for getting a little touched. We got motor 14s running what you are running so for the rookie eye, your actions don't back up what you say! Now I know you know your shit but what if some noob hop on here. Just my 2 cents and sorry if I pissed anybody off! Thanks smoke and Jesse!
And where were you when I was posting all the stuff about my turbo motor build?? Lee and I have talked on the phone several times, and he has givin me valuable advise on my turbo. I not busting his, or Jesse's chops.
I've not run the bike at that boost/hp setting, yet. As some know, I'm extremely busy with my work and just don't have much time to race. Most will also tell you that I'm not the best drag racer in the world, never claimed to be, but at least I ride my bike, nobody else.
I'm also proud of the fact that I did none of the work on my bike. I'm dangerous around tools.
When I get a chance, probably next month, I'll start out again running at the lower boost setting again. Biggest problem I've had(besides bearings) is tractions. I have a new Shinko Ultra soft that just spins down the track. At higher boost levels(over 300hp), it just blows the tire away as the lockup comes on. Might have to go too a slick.
Now enough of the thread hijack. This is Jesse and Lee's thread, and I'm waiting to here how they do.
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posted February 16, 2008 06:33 PM
Jesse, whats it like to ride, does it wheelie or spin at all when it comes on boost in the lower gears, and how is it to launch with the turbo?
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posted February 16, 2008 07:02 PM
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Mike we haven't rode it yet ...We will be running it weds test and tune and we will be able to give you some more info ...Smokin..
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smokinzx14
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posted February 16, 2008 07:06 PM
Jesse called me and told me about the boost gauge not reading right , I'm sure he will get another gauge on it asap ....In the past i got a few boost gauges that didn't read correctly from Autometer ....Maybe we need to try a different brand of gauge ....
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zx14mike
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posted February 16, 2008 07:45 PM
Thanks Smokin...........i'll be looking forward to your results!
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duncan
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posted February 16, 2008 08:27 PM
Smokin I've had good luck with the autometer electric meter. It's a little more expensive but it reads boost off my boost controller instead of the throttlebodies. I't doesn't jump around while idling and also has a peak recall feature. But with only running a single set pound of boost it may not work. Just a thought.
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posted February 16, 2008 10:21 PM
Smokin so far what is the TOTAL cost of the kit?? I am thinkin about going ahead and getting a kit. Is a basic stage one safe to ride on the street EVERYDAY
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posted February 17, 2008 06:50 AM
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Smokin so far what is the TOTAL cost of the kit?? I am thinkin about going ahead and getting a kit. Is a basic stage one safe to ride on the street EVERYDAY
You will have to PM Jesse and ask him what his total came out to ....I just did the install .. 
The stage one kit is made for the street and pump gas and puts out around 260 HP ...You should have zero problems on the street other than tires and wheelies ... 
The only thing i don't like about this kit is it uses a pump to get the oil back to the pan from the turbo ...If the pump goes bad while riding the bike will become a rolling smoke cloud....
For the street i would use a turbo kit that doesn't need a evac pump .. I believe the kit ZXbob and Iflyems has the turbo mounted higher and does not use a evac pump ...Smokin
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posted February 17, 2008 07:10 AM
I believe Jessie said the boost guage was a cheaper off brand. They tested it in the shop and found it to be about 3 lbs off. He said they will make a few more run Monday .
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posted February 17, 2008 08:35 AM
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Smokin so far what is the TOTAL cost of the kit?? I am thinkin about going ahead and getting a kit. Is a basic stage one safe to ride on the street EVERYDAY
You will have to PM Jesse and ask him what his total came out to ....I just did the install ..
The stage one kit is made for the street and pump gas and puts out around 260 HP ...You should have zero problems on the street other than tires and wheelies ...
The only thing i don't like about this kit is it uses a pump to get the oil back to the pan from the turbo ...If the pump goes bad while riding the bike will become a rolling smoke cloud....
For the street i would use a turbo kit that doesn't need a evac pump .. I believe the kit ZXbob and Iflyems has the turbo mounted higher and does not use a evac pump ...Smokin
Your correct, the ATP kit has the turbo mounted low enough that a scavenge pump isn't necessary. Bob has, I think, about 9000 street miles on his ATP turbo now with zero problems.
If that pump fails, the only way you'll know is a big white cloud in your rear view mirror, and the tach needle falling to zero. Its a good looking kit, but I'd just keep in eye on that pump, or have an oil pressure gauge hooked up to it so that the minute it quits, you know it and can shut down the engine.
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posted February 17, 2008 10:10 AM
where's the dyno sheets?
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posted February 17, 2008 10:52 AM
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Smokin so far what is the TOTAL cost of the kit?? I am thinkin about going ahead and getting a kit. Is a basic stage one safe to ride on the street EVERYDAY
You will have to PM Jesse and ask him what his total came out to ....I just did the install ..
The stage one kit is made for the street and pump gas and puts out around 260 HP ...You should have zero problems on the street other than tires and wheelies ...
The only thing i don't like about this kit is it uses a pump to get the oil back to the pan from the turbo ...If the pump goes bad while riding the bike will become a rolling smoke cloud....
For the street i would use a turbo kit that doesn't need a evac pump .. I believe the kit ZXbob and Iflyems has the turbo mounted higher and does not use a evac pump ...Smokin
Your correct, the ATP kit has the turbo mounted low enough that a scavenge pump isn't necessary. Bob has, I think, about 9000 street miles on his ATP turbo now with zero problems.
If that pump fails, the only way you'll know is a big white cloud in your rear view mirror, and the tach needle falling to zero. Its a good looking kit, but I'd just keep in eye on that pump, or have an oil pressure gauge hooked up to it so that the minute it quits, you know it and can shut down the engine.
I think you mispoke, the atp kits are mounted higher not lower, I have spoke on this before, be very careful with the pumps/oil/oil weight and maintanance of these systems. The pumps are notorios for falures and need careful maint, bill...
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posted February 17, 2008 11:58 AM
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where's the dyno sheets?
Jesse has it and i'm waiting like you ....
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BlackMagic14
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posted February 17, 2008 02:11 PM
So what is the recommendation for a good kit for everyday riding?
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brent davis
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posted February 17, 2008 02:42 PM
Now this oil return pump does raise the average street rider interest. The Mr. Turbo kit and ATP definately looks good too.
What my concern with the kits are that I want the turbine side facing just like the Cycle-logic kit does so I can keep my S-Meg on the bike.
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smokinzx14
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posted February 17, 2008 04:20 PM
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Now this oil return pump does raise the average street rider interest. The Mr. Turbo kit and ATP definately looks good too.
What my concern with the kits are that I want the turbine side facing just like the Cycle-logic kit does so I can keep my S-Meg on the bike.
The MR Turbo kit uses a pump ...
There is a fix for this ... I think Big CC makes or sells a pump that is driven off the crank trigger ... The other is install a better pump like an Holley Red pump ..You can use a holley pump for many years with Gas and many more years with oil ... My zrx1200 turbo used a Holley red pump and it worked without a problem ..
The pump Cycle-logic uses may work ok with thinner oils like some have said ...But on a turbo i will only use thicker oil like 15W50 mobil one ..Cycle-logic pump looks to be a windshield washer pump, it is small and easy to mount but in my mind too small to get the job done over the long haul ... A holley pump or something like it can be located below the swing arm where your belly pan is ..Top that off with the holley is cheaply rebuildable.. Smokin..
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brent davis
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posted February 17, 2008 05:17 PM
Well so does the ATP kit use a pump to return the oil? I hate the fact of using one. My car is just gravity fed back to the pan and that is simple to do.
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posted February 17, 2008 05:27 PM
does the muzzy kit use a return pump?
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posted February 17, 2008 05:37 PM
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Well so does the ATP kit use a pump to return the oil? I hate the fact of using one. My car is just gravity fed back to the pan and that is simple to do.
NO brent ATP does not use a pump its gravity feed the turbo is up high enough and i have never had a problem with this kit, The only draw back to some of the guys is the fact that atp only makes a stg 1. I personnaly can't find a problem with 280 some hp on 7 lbs of boost on a 14,that's as streetable as it was stk, Thats if you stay out of it on the street, lol. bill..
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iflyems
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posted February 18, 2008 07:38 AM
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Well so does the ATP kit use a pump to return the oil? I hate the fact of using one. My car is just gravity fed back to the pan and that is simple to do.
NO brent ATP does not use a pump its gravity feed the turbo is up high enough and i have never had a problem with this kit, The only draw back to some of the guys is the fact that atp only makes a stg 1. I personnaly can't find a problem with 280 some hp on 7 lbs of boost on a 14,that's as streetable as it was stk, Thats if you stay out of it on the street, lol. bill..
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Bill, what do you consider stage 1, 2, 3?? Harry at ATP is also a little confused about this stage system.
And yes, I was wrong, the ATP kit mounts the turbo higher, not lower, so no pump.
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posted February 18, 2008 10:35 AM
I'M not rating any bodys systems as for me i consider a stg 1 a no motor internal mods needed on a lower boost set up, Any system can be made into higher boost out put unit. But most co, call them something so the customer under stands whats needed for a particuler build. W hat would you call a system that makes 20 lbs of boost out of the box and the customer thinks he just bought a 5-9 lbs system that he just bolts too a stock motor. I didn't come up with the terminolagy thats being used on these systems,but when i order one i still call it by what appl, i need... bill..
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posted February 18, 2008 11:58 AM
yeah I know what you mean about kits in different stages. You guys got anymore pics of the ATP kits?
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