drewzx-14
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posted January 31, 2008 05:57 AM
4-2-1 design or 4-1 design?
I was wondering what the difference between the two. What are the advantages and disadvantages of going either way. Also what is Brock's System classified as for the Zx-14. I have recently heard Tsukigi full 4-1 and it sounded fantastic. Still up against the wall for what exhaust to go with.
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smokinzx14
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posted January 31, 2008 07:58 AM
Brocks is 4-2-1 and from what i have seen the 4-2-1 wins over a 4-1 system with better power over the complete power curve...
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bigbuk30
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posted January 31, 2008 09:42 AM
yea i am stuck between brock and tus, but want to know hp difference between the two is brock worth the extra $ not worried about supplied maps going to dyno for that just pipe vs. pipe which one out perfoms other what u think
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chunter
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posted January 31, 2008 09:50 AM
4 into 1 is built for big motors and top end. Look at all the Pro Stock Motorcycles; if 4-2-1 delivered more power for them at the strip everyone would be using one.
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Wheelie
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posted January 31, 2008 09:54 AM
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yea i am stuck between brock and tus, but want to know hp difference between the two is brock worth the extra $ not worried about supplied maps going to dyno for that just pipe vs. pipe which one out perfoms other what u think
my 14 ran the best 120mph in the 1/8th mile with the Tsukigi, 125mph with the Alien Head. you make the call.
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chunter
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posted January 31, 2008 10:12 AM
Exact same conditions on those comparisions?
I've dyno'd both on the same bike, same day, same fuel, same map with no difference in hp.
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Wheelie
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posted January 31, 2008 10:50 AM
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Exact same conditions on those comparisions?
I've dyno'd both on the same bike, same day, same fuel, same map with no difference in hp.
Brocks map?
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k bryant
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posted January 31, 2008 10:58 AM
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Brocks is 4-2-1 and from what i have seen the 4-2-1 wins over a 4-1 system with better power over the complete power curve...
Basically that is the primary difference.
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chunter
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posted January 31, 2008 11:16 AM
Yes.
Wee, if you put a shortened mid pipe and can on the Tsukigi to match the same overall exhaust length of the Alien head you'll see more than 120 mph.
If the weather conditions were different then the 120 vs 125mph is apples and oranges.
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drewzx-14
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Andrew
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posted January 31, 2008 11:29 AM
Anyone have any pics or have dyno'd this system????? I like the support from brock but just want to be a little different. Right now it's between the tsukigi system or brock.... That map support is great indeed.
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smokinzx14
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posted January 31, 2008 11:59 AM
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4 into 1 is built for big motors and top end. Look at all the Pro Stock Motorcycles; if 4-2-1 delivered more power for them at the strip everyone would be using one.
That is fine if you keep your bike at 11000 rpm but we don't so the 4-2-1 is a better choice ..We are talking street bikes remember..
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smokinzx14
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posted January 31, 2008 12:07 PM
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Anyone have any pics or have dyno'd this system????? I like the support from brock but just want to be a little different. Right now it's between the tsukigi system or brock.... That map support is great indeed.
tsukigi system is very good , if you look at the head pipes they look much like brocks pipes ...The difference is in the can and mid pipe..
If you are just street riding the bike and not trying to get the very last HP out of the bike the tsukigi will be just fine ...If street riding is what you do i don't think you would ever tell or feel the difference in power ...Where Brock pipe shines is in the strip , his pipe is built to take into account the ram air ...The two pipes may make the same HP sitting still on the dyno but on the track you will go faster with Brocks pipe .. Remember we don't race dynos ..
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Nelson Taylor
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posted January 31, 2008 01:23 PM
Here is a Tsukigi, like Smokin said, it perfect street use and works on the track but, i haven't seen the 1/4mile numbers out of it like Brocks Smeg or Alien is getting.
Havent heard of too many drag racers out there with his gen3 pipe on their bike.
I dont know what the hp difference is between Smeg&Alien vs Gen3. Anyone have that info.
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BlackMagic14
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posted January 31, 2008 01:32 PM
I think it is a given that a megaphone can makes better power then a traditional oval can!! WIth that being said I dont think there is a better looking pipe out there then a Tsukigi and they are very HIGH QUALITY!!!!!! and Chip will be no slouch on helping you out if you get one as well. It comes down to what you want the bike to do.
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Wheelie
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posted January 31, 2008 01:35 PM
 Edited By: Wheelie on 31 Jan 2008 13:43
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Nelson Taylor
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posted January 31, 2008 01:46 PM
2-3mph and .2 tenths both in the 1/8th
I will try brock system at some point in time.
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Wheelie
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posted January 31, 2008 01:49 PM
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2-3mph and .2 tenths both in the 1/8th
I will try brock system at some point in time.
take your time the way Hindle is changing shapes, they will have a new one next month. im still very pleased with mine.
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Nelson Taylor
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posted January 31, 2008 01:52 PM
Edited By: Nelson Taylor on 31 Jan 2008 13:53
I know, I'm in no hurry. It may in a year or so, before I make a change.
I thought I wanted the Smeg, then the Alien head, now the short smeg, whats next?
Didnt mean to jack your thread drew.
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Hawkman
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posted January 31, 2008 02:21 PM
Smeg makes about 5hp more than the Gen3. The Alien Head makes 2-3hp more than the Smeg.
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Nelson Taylor
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posted January 31, 2008 08:12 PM
Thanks for the info Hawkman,
Where does the new short smeg fit in compared to those other two choices?
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swiftkart
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posted January 31, 2008 08:46 PM
Edited By: swiftkart on 31 Jan 2008 20:47
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Here is a Tsukigi, like Smokin said, it perfect street use and works on the track but, i haven't seen the 1/4mile numbers out of it like Brocks Smeg or Alien is getting.
Havent heard of too many drag racers out there with his gen3 pipe on their bike.
I dont know what the hp difference is between Smeg&Alien vs Gen3. Anyone have that info.
185hp SAE with Gen 3 can and ms109 fuel, best mph in the 1/4 was 151mph, I have the Alien head now, but haven't installed it yet.
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BobC
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posted January 31, 2008 11:58 PM
Edited By: BobC on 31 Jan 2008 23:59
The TiForce on my 14 is 4 into 1, good peak power of 192.9 rwbhp (STD) with just the exhaust and a PCIII. The figures speak for themselves, a best top speed of 205.4mph and nine times over 200....... so far.
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drewzx-14
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posted February 01, 2008 05:51 AM
i wonder when brock is going to have another moving sale............lol this stuff gets real expensive. I didn't get a chance to take advantage last time around. Hopefully sometime soon. OOO YEAH BTW.....GO GIANTS!
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87gtNOS
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posted February 06, 2008 10:46 AM
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Smeg makes about 5hp more than the Gen3. The Alien Head makes 2-3hp more than the Smeg.
How about power under the curve? Which one makes the most 3000 to 7000rpm power?
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bigbuk30
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posted February 08, 2008 05:35 PM
what about the brock sidewinder vs. tusk. sidewinder on a built 14 with 50 shot
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