billeason
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posted January 22, 2008 11:55 AM
You're wright dubious i could have explained my position on the matter a little more complete. But basicly we are in agreement on what is happening when fogging,and i have bitched until im tired of hearing myself talk about venders selling us their products on the margin's. If you think about it you could build it yourself,and have the added durabilaty if we had the time. I can't help thinking about the video of brocks suzuki on the line back firing n.o.s anytime brock talks about the dangers of n.o.s. Atleast he's one guy you can buy from and get what you pay for, for the most part anyways. bill...
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starchild
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posted January 22, 2008 01:40 PM
well i've heard good and bad and i cant give an opinion one way or another since i know nothing of nos, never ran it ever. but i do thank everyone for their opinions. but let me ask a question to all, i now have this kit and lets say i'm convince wet is better can i use anything from this kit to go wet? do i have to buy a wet kit? and one other question is this kit safer if i use a progressive controller? which i had intended to do.
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billeason
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posted January 22, 2008 03:03 PM
If you stay around a forty shot and use good fuel you will be fine with a fogger system. A wet shot imo is better for the reasons disscused earlier. Also as dubious has stated he found the upper limit and then some of the muzzys and i think any fogger type dry system. I think chip is selling the multiport bar that would be your best bet imo for cost and durabilaty over the fogger type if you decide too go dry. The bar would be easier to mod, to work with the dry and the wet system. Let us know what size you want to spray,what type of fuel you have easy access to and i think you said you already have the dry muzzys,and yes it would be a little easier on a controller. If you feed us a little more info on what you want i have know doubt we can help you have a good set up thats safe,look at it this way,Guys here have already done a lot of the leg work and know what is safe and what isn't, and they are'nt trying to sell you anything so its real world testing. bill...
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starchild
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posted January 23, 2008 12:21 PM
thanks guys i will take some time to ride this bike and then think about nos i ran my 12 all motor and still like all motor but they tell me this motor can handle nos with no problems like the 12
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fast4teen
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posted February 04, 2008 09:50 PM
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i had the Muzzy kit on my bike till i burnt the valves up on the #1!!!!! This kit is GARBAGE!!!! When Chip Hunter pulled my head off I was there and the #1 Cyl. Ex. valves had somewhat descentigrated & #4 cyl.valves along were really burnt!!!! this kit makes the two outer cylinders run leaner then the two inner!!!! I now have Chips spray bar that mounts in the airbox and allows you to use 4 nozzles to spray an even amount straight down the throttle bodies! Just waiting on my motor to get done and get her all buttoned up!!! In my opinion the muzzy kit doesn't evenly distribute the nos to the cylinders causing some to run leaner then the others... i'd say stay away from it or spend BIG$$$$$ fixing it in the long run!!!
Ok I haven't used the muzzy kit, but from the pic, i've run similar fogging setups. They work great, to date I've never burned a thing. the b.s. about uneven running is just that. when fogging from above the bodies if you distribute between 1-2 & 3-4 your fine. You might want to look into mapping or maybe you were running to big a jet? What's the muzzy rated for?
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billeason
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posted February 05, 2008 05:22 AM
Fast i agree somewhat on this but there is a limit on this system. As you stated i have very good results with the muzzys fogger.However if i try anythng over a 40 hp actual i start seeing the 1-4 cly showing higher temps than i care to take a chance with! I have thrown fuel at it,pulled more timming,and differant angles of the spray bar. On the dyno it still shows high stress on outside cylinders. Muzzys says you can run up to a 50 shot but i would'nt maybe i have something set up wrong but it wasn't for the lack of trying. Again if you stay at 40 hp they work great i'm running 8.52 167 on my 06 14 all last season, When i pulled it down to freshen up it didn't need anything, THese 14s are really tough. bill...
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dubious
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posted February 05, 2008 01:32 PM
LOL
fast4teen, keep turning it up mang, advance your timing too, go ahead .
I was speaking out my ass, and I am a liar.
Try it, be sure to let us know how it works for ya!
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fast4teen
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posted February 05, 2008 08:15 PM
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fast4teen, keep turning it up mang, advance your timing too, go ahead .
I was speaking out my ass, and I am a liar.
Try it, be sure to let us know how it works for ya!
Dubious,
I didn't mean to infer you were a liar. My apologies. All I meant to convey was that i've made dry nitrous kits like the muzzy kit that worked without problems for me.
On that same note, I went to the muzzy site and looked at the kits. I still haven't found one anywhere else online that appears to be as plug and play as that one. if you don't like the overhead fogger setup, make or buy different rails. It looks like a nice kit that has many people on this site giving it thumbs up.
just my .02
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jarhead
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posted February 06, 2008 01:20 PM
just my two on this. when at the track dry shots really ease the pressure, I have ran both wet and dry and wet is great but remember that you will be babysitting a bottle. With dry, I will tell you what Ryan told me, if its cold put the bike in the sun, if its hot put the bike in the shade....done. I ran the Muzzys kit last year all year with the 50hp on a WOT switch and 2-knob progressive controller and the bike was scary consistant as long as I kept my head out of my rear. I understand some others may have had some problems with this kit but I would stress the importance of having a very good map specifically for the nos. I think if you were to do this you would have a great time with the kit. I was running high 9.20's on motor and have been mid 8.70's on the bottle bringing it in at like 22% over 2.0 seconds. I have to side with Bill on this one, until this post I have never heard anything bad about the Muzzys kit, I have installed several of these over the years and not yet had a problem.
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dubious
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posted February 06, 2008 04:07 PM
It is a very simple instal, and quality work,
with the biggest jet at 50HP, one cyl started to go lean...my experience
I check my plugs often.
Luckily caught it before it caught me!
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