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posted January 19, 2008 02:04 PM
nitrous and air shifter
hello gentlemen have a question how many are using muzzy's or schnitz's air shifter and nitrous kits that deliever both at the same time ? using nitrous to shift gears and hp. what are the good values other than eliminating a onboard compressor and air tank.
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posted January 19, 2008 02:18 PM
Muzzys NOS and Air Shifter combo is a really nice plug and play unit ...It's costly but very nicely done stand alone kit ...
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posted January 19, 2008 02:27 PM
are there any problems you know of? not heard very positive things running a system of this type at least two freinds tell me it sucks to run this
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posted January 19, 2008 03:06 PM
I have the air shifter from Muzzy and never missed a shift in over 600+ passes ....JesseJames had the Air Shifter and 50 shot NOS kit from Muzzy and it worked great ...Not in single problem other than high speeds wheelies 
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posted January 19, 2008 03:32 PM
thanks smokin i have the air shifter it came on my bike and i have a chance to get the nos kit also for 200.00 less and it's new and in the box so i'm gonna go get thanks
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posted January 20, 2008 11:42 AM
I run Muzzys combo kit and Smokin' hit it on the head, love it. Going to a dry kit is a great way to go, I have never regreted it. Unlike the turbo I did on my 04 zx10.
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starchild
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posted January 20, 2008 11:47 AM
thanks i have it in my possession will first ride all motor never ran nitrous and i have really no seat time with this bike learn to ride the beast first
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posted January 20, 2008 01:40 PM
starchild, are you getting the kit from muzzy for less because you already have their shifter? I plan on buying the muzzy kit when I get back, just curious if you get the discount on the nos kit. I know its discounted if you buy them both at the same time, not sure about buying them separate though. thanks
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starchild
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posted January 20, 2008 02:41 PM
no the guy who set this bike up but never got the oppurtinty to race the bike set up the air shifter but not the nitrous,he just called forgot he had bought the kit also and offered it to me
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posted January 20, 2008 07:32 PM
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posted January 21, 2008 01:05 PM
Wow 1069.00 for the shifter and nos kit seems kinda of steep to me. unless there's more to it then I know about? does it come with a progressive controller for the nos?
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posted January 21, 2008 01:10 PM
no not at all its muzzy and they can be pricey, but i checked and it just about the same as other kits that run the same type system,
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posted January 21, 2008 01:12 PM
I know I don't have anywhere near that in my shifter and nos kit and it would be very simple to make it run off one bottle.
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posted January 21, 2008 01:15 PM
i think one of the selling points is it's plug &play and maybe something i have no knowledge of but sme guys swear by it
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posted January 21, 2008 02:51 PM
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i think one of the selling points is it's plug &play and maybe something i have no knowledge of but sme guys swear by it
Don't forget get that the price includes the Muzzy Digi-Kill 3 Power Interrupt, high quality braided harnesses, billet brackets and full color instructions. The wiring procedures are nearly plug and play with minimal steps to complete the installation of the harness and arming switch. The finished install is very clean and reliable.
http://www.muzzys.com/ZX14/ZX14_Air_Shifter/index.html
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posted January 22, 2008 12:46 AM
I love the kit, its truely plug-n-play.
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posted January 22, 2008 02:40 AM
i had the Muzzy kit on my bike till i burnt the valves up on the #1!!!!! This kit is GARBAGE!!!! When Chip Hunter pulled my head off I was there and the #1 Cyl. Ex. valves had somewhat descentigrated & #4 cyl.valves along were really burnt!!!! this kit makes the two outer cylinders run leaner then the two inner!!!! I now have Chips spray bar that mounts in the airbox and allows you to use 4 nozzles to spray an even amount straight down the throttle bodies! Just waiting on my motor to get done and get her all buttoned up!!! In my opinion the muzzy kit doesn't evenly distribute the nos to the cylinders causing some to run leaner then the others... i'd say stay away from it or spend BIG$$$$$ fixing it in the long run!!!
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posted January 22, 2008 07:24 AM
I have installed aleast 6 of these kits plus both my 14s use it. My 06 has been sprayed for two seasons . If you burnt the two out side cly, its not because of the nos not getting there if thats the case you would be rich with fuel on those two cylinders.It sounds to me like you have to much nos for the fuel mapping up top,And the outside cylinders are getting more nos then the others with lean fuelmap on all. There.s all type of things to consider with this stuff and i agree with chips bar being more accurate but for a small shot and a good tune up the muzzys systems work fine. I also pull timing even on the smallest of shots! Bill at cannon..
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posted January 22, 2008 09:23 AM
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i had the Muzzy kit on my bike till i burnt the valves up on the #1!!!!! This kit is GARBAGE!!!! When Chip Hunter pulled my head off I was there and the #1 Cyl. Ex. valves had somewhat descentigrated & #4 cyl.valves along were really burnt!!!! this kit makes the two outer cylinders run leaner then the two inner!!!! I now have Chips spray bar that mounts in the airbox and allows you to use 4 nozzles to spray an even amount straight down the throttle bodies! Just waiting on my motor to get done and get her all buttoned up!!! In my opinion the muzzy kit doesn't evenly distribute the nos to the cylinders causing some to run leaner then the others... i'd say stay away from it or spend BIG$$$$$ fixing it in the long run!!!
I agree completely, LISTEN TO THIS MAN.
My bike exhibited aluminum on #4 cylinder plug after running 20oz though the bike, on the #36 nozzle, 50 shot.
MY 02 sensor read good, 13:1 but it picks up off all 4 cyclinders, not a single one, and I had already added 22% more fuel . The muzzy spray bar does not feed each cylinder equally, or individually.
ANYONE running a dry shot, I highly reccommend Chip Hunters spray bar, with individual nozzles for each velocity stack.
Physically impossible to get even flow across all 4 cylinders unless you feed them each individually and DIRECTLY!
I got lucky, cause I checked my plugs, even though my a/f ratio's looked good.
My compression tests resulted in 167-170 psi across all cylinders
so there is some more info for everyone, even if you a/f ratio looks good, doesn' t read each cylinder individually, and as such, you could have 3 rich cylinders, and 1 lean one, and still have a good soichiometric average, meanwhile burning up a cyclinder.
CHECK YOUR PLUGS.....old school standing rule!
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posted January 22, 2008 09:33 AM
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I have installed aleast 6 of these kits plus both my 14s use it. My 06 has been sprayed for two seasons . If you burnt the two out side cly, its not because of the nos not getting there if thats the case you would be rich with fuel on those two cylinders.It sounds to me like you have to much nos for the fuel mapping up top,And the outside cylinders are getting more nos then the others with lean fuelmap on all. There.s all type of things to consider with this stuff and i agree with chips bar being more accurate but for a small shot and a good tune up the muzzys systems work fine. I also pull timing even on the smallest of shots! Bill at cannon..
Why did you PM me asking how I got mine to run on the largest jet without it running dangerously lean....
I too pulled 4 degree's and added 22% FUEL,
Build or buy a spray bar, hell inject dry in to the intake ports, and add fuel, but make sure all cylinders are fed equally.
Even if you don't burn it down, eventually bottom end bearings will get beat up from imbalanced power in each cylinder.
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posted January 22, 2008 09:35 AM
Don't listen to us, that's up to you!!! it's only a matter of time!!!! I had a 40 jet in mine and got just about 55hp... I've got a 1417 being built with a Coby Head, Coby Tranny,APE springs, HD Cyl. Studs, Brock shift shafts, Lightened & Balanced Crank, etc. Which i was going to do regardless of the motor going south on me. But it would have been QUITE CHEAPER if it wouldn't of blown up 1st.
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posted January 22, 2008 09:52 AM
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I have installed aleast 6 of these kits plus both my 14s use it. My 06 has been sprayed for two seasons . If you burnt the two out side cly, its not because of the nos not getting there if thats the case you would be rich with fuel on those two cylinders.It sounds to me like you have to much nos for the fuel mapping up top,And the outside cylinders are getting more nos then the others with lean fuelmap on all. There.s all type of things to consider with this stuff and i agree with chips bar being more accurate but for a small shot and a good tune up the muzzys systems work fine. I also pull timing even on the smallest of shots! Bill at cannon..
Why did you PM me asking how I got mine to run on the largest jet without it running dangerously lean....
I too pulled 4 degree's and added 22% FUEL,
Build or buy a spray bar, hell inject dry in to the intake ports, and add fuel, but make sure all cylinders are fed equally.
Even if you don't burn it down, eventually bottom end bearings will get beat up from imbalanced power in each cylinder.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!! Man You're Right on about the lower end bearings!!!! Chip told me that it was good that he pulled the Crank... Cause the # 2 & #3 rod bearings looked like they were about to go... Now this was an all stock motor with less then 3000 miles on the clock! Now correct me if I'm Wrong!!!! But The only reason the 2 inner bearings were so wore must have been from the imbalance of NOS to the Cylinders! Because the 1 & 4 bearings were ok! I would think twice before i sprayed my $10,000.00+ motorcycle with that P.O.S. Muzzy Dry Nos kit!
One more thing!!! Why does Muzzy include a Digi Kill 2 With This shifter/ dry nos kit! 1st of all this digi kill kills fuel!!! I understand it's only for a fraction of a sec. but i thought you need an ample amount of fuel when on the spray? Just curious how much if any does the motor go lean when the fuel gets cut? Just doesn't make alot of sense! Don't get me wrong.. I love the way the Digi Kill works. I just think it's better for Nos users to go with an ignition kill instead!!!
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posted January 22, 2008 09:55 AM
Dubious i sent you a pm from another site on this subject,and others. The muzzys kit is fine for a dyno tuned 40 shot. I have posted this so many times about the fact if you go bigger than you need use a set up like chips and others. Its mo that if you go bigger than forty you need to do more than just nozzle placement, like timing,better fuel and [AVERY GOOD TUNE UP] for nos. Muzzys directions say that in assembly. I know i going to get the guys that have been getting away with big shots on the 14s but they are riding on borrowed time. This is with any kit that fogs the box,not just one brand. The systems that install in front of the filter will also stagger mix its just you have to go up in jet size to get there. I mean a 30 jet in the ram tubes will get you 20dyno hp, where it will give you roughly 28 in the box!! I run nos piston from CP not off the self/goodsprings / ryans box-4 degrees /vp import fuel and wet for anything 50 and up on the 14s for dependabilaty. bill at cannon...
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posted January 22, 2008 10:05 AM
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I have installed aleast 6 of these kits plus both my 14s use it. My 06 has been sprayed for two seasons . If you burnt the two out side cly, its not because of the nos not getting there if thats the case you would be rich with fuel on those two cylinders.It sounds to me like you have to much nos for the fuel mapping up top,And the outside cylinders are getting more nos then the others with lean fuelmap on all. There.s all type of things to consider with this stuff and i agree with chips bar being more accurate but for a small shot and a good tune up the muzzys systems work fine. I also pull timing even on the smallest of shots! Bill at cannon..
Why did you PM me asking how I got mine to run on the largest jet without it running dangerously lean....
I too pulled 4 degree's and added 22% FUEL,
Build or buy a spray bar, hell inject dry in to the intake ports, and add fuel, but make sure all cylinders are fed equally.
Even if you don't burn it down, eventually bottom end bearings will get beat up from imbalanced power in each cylinder.
Thats why i asked you,but i wasnt talking about that message. I wanted to know how you got that much jet in it without it going south. I'll say it again If you stay at 40 dyno hp i havent had any problems on fogger set ups.
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posted January 22, 2008 11:16 AM
Edited By: dubious on 22 Jan 2008 11:20
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Dubious i sent you a pm from another site on this subject,and others. The muzzys kit is fine for a dyno tuned 40 shot. I have posted this so many times about the fact if you go bigger than you need use a set up like chips and others. Its mo that if you go bigger than forty you need to do more than just nozzle placement, like timing,better fuel and [AVERY GOOD TUNE UP] for nos. Muzzys directions say that in assembly. I know i going to get the guys that have been getting away with big shots on the 14s but they are riding on borrowed time. This is with any kit that fogs the box,not just one brand. The systems that install in front of the filter will also stagger mix its just you have to go up in jet size to get there. I mean a 30 jet in the ram tubes will get you 20dyno hp, where it will give you roughly 28 in the box!! I run nos piston from CP not off the self/goodsprings / ryans box-4 degrees /vp import fuel and wet for anything 50 and up on the 14s for dependabilaty. bill at cannon...
yes all above agreed.
Ok.
This is the kind of information everyone needs to share...
Thanks for clearing up, or validating the previous statement.
I personally don't think anyone should sell a kit without individual nozzle placement, even 20 shot is borrowed time, just more of it without precise nozzle placement.
I guess it wouldn't be very profitable if the only power sold was reliable power though...
Brock warned me of all these issues, and wouldn't sell me ANY dry kit for these very reasons. Had nothing good to say about them
"wet or not at all" were his very words...
 Brock
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