Shrek
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posted December 21, 2007 12:53 PM
ZX 14 Backfire
I am new to this forum so if this topic is an old one then sorry for not finding it.
The problem is with a newly developed backfire on my 2006 ZX-14. The bike has about 10K miles on it and has the following modifications. Dyno-Jet PCIII with Muzzy X10 map. Muzzy X 10 exhaust, TRE . No modifications to the air box or filter. Love the power and the sound but now I have a back fire when getting out of the throttle that I could more than live without.
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stevewfl
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posted December 21, 2007 04:18 PM
they all backfire. its usually one big pop. lots of info on it.
and by the way is your 2006 red? its no secret thats the fastest color. so fast they had to stop making it 
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BlackMagic14
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posted December 21, 2007 04:23 PM
You hose has come undone from the bottom of the airbox or has a leak, unless the pop started when you installed the exhaust then mapping will help but there will always be a slight pop (except on my bike I have no pop whatsoever) hope this helps
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bigdtd
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posted December 22, 2007 06:31 AM
pops come from air getting in on decel, if it bothers you make sure you have your airbox plug in and tighten your connections on your injectors to the intake
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marcusleck
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posted December 22, 2007 07:20 AM
The TRE006A (for flies out) throws the N map and gets rid of decel popping, a 10K resistor properly wired into the GPS G/R wire does the same thing.
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shrek
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posted December 22, 2007 09:16 AM
What is flies out? I have seen this in other post but remain in the dark.
the "popping" arrived with the X10 pipe instalation.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted December 22, 2007 12:49 PM
quote:
The TRE006A (for flies out) throws the N map and gets rid of decel popping, a 10K resistor properly wired into the GPS G/R wire does the same thing.
No, no resistor needed...straight to ground instead, but you lose the GPS indicator in any case...
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BlackMagic14
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posted December 22, 2007 12:52 PM
If the pop came with the installation of the pipe then there is really nothing you can do, Like I said mapping will help a little.
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racinsnake
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posted December 22, 2007 04:44 PM
I've been running the M10 for a year or so now. The backfire is huge on decel.
Favourite pastimes
1. Find a tunnel (poorly lit), find 4500 - 5000rpm, find a mate with a good quality video camera and get him / her to ride behind.
Saftey caution
Make sure no - one over the age of 60 in tunnel whilst sending out massive blue flames
ps
Is the end cone on the M10 still hanging out????
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phil
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posted December 25, 2007 11:33 AM
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they all backfire. its usually one big pop.
I'd think that with a custom map, disabling the clean air system would take care of most all popping ????
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fastestbusaaround
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posted December 25, 2007 12:21 PM
 Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 25 Dec 2007 12:22
Nope; a bit, but not a whole lot. Keeping idle below 900 makes a HUGE difference though. You still get the one big pop at 3800 or so on decel.
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slates
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posted December 26, 2007 06:23 AM
Shrek,
From a previous post:
posted November 30, 2007 10:43 AM
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reward69,
Go to Kawi's website and bring up the parts diagram for the zx-14; select the Cylinder Head diagram; look at part number 92171 (clamp around throttle bodies); tighten the four screws.
I had the same problem with my Gen 3. Brock sent me a pick of the diagram. He's had several people with the same issue of those clamps not being tight enough from the factory. Mine will now only pop on hard decel, which Brock suggest to avoid.
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shrek
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posted December 26, 2007 07:46 AM
Still in the dark as to what flies out means. Any light on that term?
So far I am hearing that there is no real fix for the large pop on decel. If it was a few loose fittings I would think I would have had this problem before the M 10 was installed. Has anyone had this pipe on a zx-14 and fixed the pop?
What if anthing is Muzzy saying about this issue? Or do I just need a tissue?
quote]they all backfire. its usually one big pop. lots of info on it.
I would be interested in this info.
Shrek
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slates
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posted December 26, 2007 08:27 AM
Shrek,
Did Muzzy's exhaust system come with a plug for the bottom of the airbox like Brock's system does? There is a hose that runs up through the bottom of the frame on the right side that gets cut and a plastic plug to stop that airflow from the bottom of the airbox.
I'm not sure the exact terminology on these items.
There is an abundance of info. on the flies out if you use the search functionality on this site including pictures and detailed instructions. Also go to Brocks Perfomance website and read:
http://www.brocksperformance.com/lowend.htm
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fastestbusaaround
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posted December 26, 2007 08:38 AM
quote:
Still in the dark as to what flies out means. Any light on that term?
So far I am hearing that there is no real fix for the large pop on decel. If it was a few loose fittings I would think I would have had this problem before the M 10 was installed. Has anyone had this pipe on a zx-14 and fixed the pop?
What if anthing is Muzzy saying about this issue? Or do I just need a tissue?
quote]they all backfire. its usually one big pop. lots of info on it.
I would be interested in this info.
Shrek
Shrek, this is what flies out means...
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=25246
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shrek
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posted December 26, 2007 03:50 PM
thanks for the link. that is what I call putting light on the subject!
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nightmare
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posted December 26, 2007 09:16 PM
Man I love my pop! So intimidating and beautiful at night! Especially out of that sidewinder but check that air box dawg!
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realn07
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posted December 26, 2007 09:27 PM
quote:
I've been running the M10 for a year or so now. The backfire is huge on decel.
Favourite pastimes
1. Find a tunnel (poorly lit), find 4500 - 5000rpm, find a mate with a good quality video camera and get him / her to ride behind.
Saftey caution
Make sure no - one over the age of 60 in tunnel whilst sending out massive blue flames
ps
Is the end cone on the M10 still hanging out????
I know this is off subject but what type of hp numbers are you getting with the m10
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shrek
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posted December 26, 2007 09:45 PM
not sure on the HP. What ever it is it is not enough.
Just to give you an idea my license plate reads " 2 SLW"
The bike is fast, probably too fast. Just want it to go a little faster from the start and pull my shoulders out of the sockets like it does when the gerbils are up and running. The mods I have listed are a step in the right direction. I guess one mans blue flame popping antics is another mans backfire.
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shrek
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posted December 26, 2007 10:07 PM
What are the down sides of removing the flies? What are they there for? Why did I need them? Why don't I need them anymore?
If it makes the bike faster than that is what we are looking for or we would be ridding something else. What effect on smooth linear acceleration?
I am all about taking parts off if it improves the enjoyment of the machine.
The M 10 took big ugly chunks of unwanted metal off. Just replaced by the pesky little "pop".
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fastestbusaaround
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posted December 27, 2007 03:11 AM
Do a search on "flies out" here Shrek; many people have the exact same opinion of all the effects removing them have; all for the better -- they were put in to appeal to a wider group of riders, who couldn't handle the radical low end grunt of a Busa. Basically, that's thats the reason. KAW realized they fucked up on the demographics of the intended buyers of the bike -- that's why they are no longer as restrictive now and open way earlier, which will appease most riders now. Taking them out on the 08 still yields more punch down low, though not to the same extent as the previous model years. The net effect on an 08 with them removed, offers even more low end grunt than the 06-07.
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blackbullet76
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posted December 27, 2007 06:48 PM
Hell yeah! I like the fire show too I don't mind it though. Anybody have the crackle on decel with the s-meg? That makes my sticker peck up everytime I hear it 
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bigdtd
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posted December 28, 2007 05:07 AM
no downside to removing the flies,unless you have a weak grip.the bike is going to pull hard. i suggest you ride the bike first to warm it up before fly removal, this seem s to make it go easier, you need a fresh #2 long philips screwdriver and a slow steady counter clockwise turn to remove the screws. as mentioned earlier don't open the throttle primaries during this procedure. yea they all pop and crackle on decel with a pipe open enough to hear it.
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bigdtd
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posted December 29, 2007 03:25 PM
brock just posted he is coming out with a map the first week of 08 that reduces decel 90% in 06,07 bikes
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fastest-14
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posted December 29, 2007 04:48 PM
That poppin sound is Great! I'm told from those who ride behind me that there are blue flames that comes out of the pipe while it is poppin. Great, cause blue is my favorite color. If my bike ain't poppin that means it ain't running right! LOL!
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