RobMuzzy
Expert Class
Posts: 295
|
posted November 20, 2007 07:59 AM
2008 ZX-14 Performance Info
We have just finished exhaust pipe testing on the 08. First let me say that for some reason the stock bike is very rich from the factory. The bike we tested was down about 2 HP over the 06 and 07 bikes. We then installed a Power Commander and mapped. The results netted a 7 HP gain over the previous years. We then began pipe testing, the MUZZY M10 produced 189HP, and the new M14 produced 194HP. We then removed the Flies and put VP M11 in the fuel tank. Results where a very impressive 200.6 HP. The bike had 485 miles on the odometer. We have not tested the 08 Busa and can not make any comparisons.
  
|
fish_antlers
Administrator
The Truth is Out There
Posts: 21894
|
posted November 20, 2007 08:10 AM
Cool! 
____________
What business is it of yours where I'm from, Friendo?
|
CrotchRocket
Moderator
Bracket Racing with Betsy
Posts: 8038
|
posted November 20, 2007 08:24 AM
Very Nice 
Rob, did you test just the M14 pipe and Sidewinder without a power commander with flies in and pump gas???...How much HorsePower did you get???
I know the majority like to see a tuned HorsePower number, but I like to see a basic HorsePower number then a tuned number!!!
Thanks for all your help Rob!!!
____________
Jason Miller StreetBike Seminars
*****DragRacers do it better, because they dont cut Corners*****
|
R Muzzy
Parking Attendant
Posts: 22
|
posted November 20, 2007 08:32 AM
Yes we ran with no mapping. The stock ECU is so rich that it was sensless to make any efforts with out re mapping.
|
Red1
Expert Class
Posts: 442
|
posted November 20, 2007 08:32 AM
 Edited By: Red1 on 20 Nov 2007 08:33
Rob,
When will the M-14 be ready? Do you have any pictures of the new pipe?
Thanks,
____________
Red12/Blue14
|
R Muzzy
Parking Attendant
Posts: 22
|
posted November 20, 2007 08:37 AM
I am going to polish up the stock bike map today and will post on our web site for those with 08's that want to get the most out of there stock bike.
|
CrotchRocket
Moderator
Bracket Racing with Betsy
Posts: 8038
|
posted November 20, 2007 08:46 AM
Thanks Rob!!! 
____________
Jason Miller StreetBike Seminars
*****DragRacers do it better, because they dont cut Corners*****
|
smokinzx14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted November 20, 2007 09:08 AM
quote:
Thanks Rob!!!
+1
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
b03818
Expert Class
Posts: 148
|
posted November 20, 2007 09:17 AM
So is it better than the previous models or slightly below average?
____________
I'll have some cole slaw with that beef.
|
badzx14
Expert Class
needs more power!!!!!
Posts: 126
|
posted November 20, 2007 09:43 AM
Thats a kawi for ya!!!!
|
lucky14
Pro
Posts: 1439
|
posted November 20, 2007 09:53 AM
quote:
We have just finished exhaust pipe testing on the 08. First let me say that for some reason the stock bike is very rich from the factory. The bike we tested was down about 2 HP over the 06 and 07 bikes. We then installed a Power Commander and mapped. The results netted a 7 HP gain over the previous years. We then began pipe testing, the MUZZY M10 produced 189HP, and the new M14 produced 194HP. We then removed the Flies and put VP M11 in the fuel tank. Results where a very impressive 200.6 HP. The bike had 485 miles on the odometer. We have not tested the 08 Busa and can not make any comparisons.
Questions:
1. What is the base HP on the 06/07 14's on your dyno?
2. With the PC and mapped config, is the 7 HP gain over a stock 06/07, and if I do the math, is that a 9 HP gain over the base 08?
I do own an 08, so I have more than a passing interest here.
____________
You only need two tools: WD-40 and Duct Tape.
If it doesn't move and should, use the WD-40.
If it shouldn't move and does, use the duct tape.
|
kspz3
Expert Class
Posts: 334
|
posted November 20, 2007 10:05 AM
quote:
We have just finished exhaust pipe testing on the 08. First let me say that for some reason the stock bike is very rich from the factory. The bike we tested was down about 2 HP over the 06 and 07 bikes. We then installed a Power Commander and mapped. The results netted a 7 HP gain over the previous years. We then began pipe testing, the MUZZY M10 produced 189HP, and the new M14 produced 194HP. We then removed the Flies and put VP M11 in the fuel tank. Results where a very impressive 200.6 HP. The bike had 485 miles on the odometer. We have not tested the 08 Busa and can not make any comparisons.
Rob - Thanks for sharing your testing results - very much appreciated - Do you prefer MR11 over MR9 and MR10? Did you still have the aircleaner in? those are very good numbers - where they adjusted via STD or SAE.
Thanks again for sharing your information.
Kevin
|
bigdtd
Needs a job
Interceptors
Posts: 4209
|
posted November 20, 2007 10:52 AM
Great work Rob, did you use the same Power Commander for the 08 as 06,07 or is there a new model out for the 08. Over 200 hp with a pc and a pipe thats Smokin!
____________
2006 Black ZX-14,6 inches over,16/42, flies out,BMC Street Filter,Brock's Street Meg,Brock's Radial Mount Strap,PClll with Race map,Dynojet LCD w/Techmount, ZX-14 fender eliminator,Pilot Power2CTs,Speedohealer,Pazzo Levers,Cox Radiator Guard, Garmin Nuvi 265WT
|
smokinzx14
Needs a life
Posts: 10197
|
posted November 20, 2007 12:19 PM
Lets see here
Brocks 08 Busa makes 200 hp
Brocks 06 zx14 makes 197 hp
Muzzys 08 zx14 makes 200 hp
Guess we will have to flip a coin as to what bike to buy ....... lol.....  ......Or we could just keep our old slow under powered 06 , 07 zx14s .....
____________
Smokin Performance Cycles..
Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
|
ghostman
Expert Class
Posts: 456
|
posted November 20, 2007 12:54 PM
Edited By: ghostman on 20 Nov 2007 12:55
I dunno Smoke, I think I can stick with the . . . . . . .RED 06' for awhile.
I think Kawi got it right for me the first time. Plus I kinda like the looks I get when I roll by on the :"BIG RED ONE".
But I'm still confused. I don't know whether they are staring at this gorgeous machine gracefully flowing past them and wishing they had one . . .
Or If it's because I make this damn thing look like a 600!!! LOL!!!
But as your average everyday rider, a few extra HP won' t make much of a difference to me.
____________
I'm There Whether You See Me Or Not.
|
flatoutbu
Pro
Posts: 1054
|
posted November 20, 2007 12:54 PM
quote:
Lets see here
Brocks 08 Busa makes 200 hp
Brocks 06 zx14 makes 197 hp
Muzzys 08 zx14 makes 200 hp
Guess we will have to flip a coin as to what bike to buy ....... lol..... ......Or we could just keep our old slow under powered 06 , 07 zx14s .....
lol...that's what i'm going to do....i can't justify buying a 08 yet for 5-10 horse. I'm thinking some head work and valve springs with adjustable cam gears and nitrous....
____________
06 Blue 14
9.008 at 153mph @ 195 suited
|
ninja12
Needs a job
Posts: 3310
|
posted November 20, 2007 01:08 PM
Finally a real test, Piped and tuned.
Who the hell cares what it does stock, are you planning to ride it stock.
Makes as much sense as stock height drag racing, WHY?
|
ZXLNT
Needs a job
Kawpuke Extraordinare
Posts: 2853
|
posted November 20, 2007 01:43 PM
What power commander did you use Rob. I understood the Power Commanders for the 06-07 wont work on the 08's...
|
reckless
Novice Class
Posts: 60
|
posted November 20, 2007 01:49 PM
Hello Mr. Muzzy, can I call you Rob?
First of all thanks for the work that you are putting in to getting the pipe and set-up right for the 08. It does sound like there are enough changes to the motor and fueling to make it worthwhile. Like Lucky14 I already have an 08 ZX 14 (in the dark blue, very nice colour) and have been waiting patiently for Muzzy's to finish testing and figure out how to get the best performance from the new bike. I pre-ordered a Ti pipe with a Carbon tip and a PCIII from Burnaby Kawasaki, (my local dealer, very nice people) when I bought the bike. I talked to Dave Turner at your company about using an 07 pipe and PCIII on the 08 and he suggested that I wait until you had worked with the 08. From what I hear I am very glad I waited.
I will watch your company web-site for pricing and availability of 08 parts.
Thanks for doing what you do.
|
Bently
Needs a life
2012 14r In Blue and no Mods!
Posts: 5428
|
posted November 20, 2007 02:05 PM
I know it's a different dyno and different day but that is right close to what My Busa made actually with in 1 hp, so it's all going to be rider.
|
zx trouble
Novice Class
Posts: 56
|
posted November 20, 2007 02:57 PM
if i read correctly hes going to try n fine tune now we might see another horse or two
|
b03818
Expert Class
Posts: 148
|
posted November 20, 2007 04:00 PM
What kind of horse power gain can be achieved from the swap of exh. can with intake?
____________
I'll have some cole slaw with that beef.
|
bigdtd
Needs a job
Interceptors
Posts: 4209
|
posted November 20, 2007 04:21 PM
"Guess we will have to flip a coin as to what bike to buy ....... lol..... ......Or we could just keep our old slow under powered 06 , 07 zx14s ..... "
then I'm going to Smokin Lee's Ridin Scool!
____________
2006 Black ZX-14,6 inches over,16/42, flies out,BMC Street Filter,Brock's Street Meg,Brock's Radial Mount Strap,PClll with Race map,Dynojet LCD w/Techmount, ZX-14 fender eliminator,Pilot Power2CTs,Speedohealer,Pazzo Levers,Cox Radiator Guard, Garmin Nuvi 265WT
|
14black
Expert Class
Posts: 280
|
posted November 20, 2007 05:04 PM
Edited By: 14black on 20 Nov 2007 17:05
This is a great thread, thanks for your info., Rob!
I'm wondering why the factory '08 ZX-14 is mapped so rich compared to the '06/'07 - did Kaw do that in anticipation of customers rippin' the flies out? I wonder what the A/F ratios look like on a stock '08 minus the flies, or a piped '08 minus the flies... Also, isn't Kaw claiming the stock '08 has more HP than the stock '06/'07?
|
ninja12
Needs a job
Posts: 3310
|
posted November 20, 2007 06:53 PM
Maybe Kawi figured out the ram is working better than expected.
Rich on a dyno may not be rich on the street/track after a pipe is added.
|
|
|
HOME
NEW TOPIC