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posted November 06, 2007 12:30 AM
no gas .. guage just off too .. no spark
ok .. well 1 minute ( so it feels like ) after the warranty expires .. about the 5th sign of trouble for the 14..
so far .. none were any big deal and all solved for no cash .. and no worries lingering ..
I tried to get home the other day .. and ran out of gas !!!
whoa .. half tank it says .. hmm .. so I think.. self .. check anyhow .. new bike and all ..
so I'm out .. and at the steps of a station .. problem solved .. oh .. it sputtered leaving the parking lot and caused me to think .. till I ran out .. cause .. effect ..
so I goes to ride from the front of the house to the garage .. dead .. bogs out .. dies in my arms .. no spark .. nothing happening ..
so I'm thinking .. gas guage .. out by 50% .. AND now no spark ( no gas getting from tank to injectors ?
me smells a rat .. but I'm just not sure if this is a thing thatg has a clear symtom and fix .. or do I start at one end of the petcock and work out ? some advice before I break into it .. winter seems here .. so no pressure to ride anytime soon .. but I would like to know that I could if a good Chinook rolls in ..
TIA ..
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted November 06, 2007 06:56 AM
First question: you said no spark. Did you check for a spark or do you mean no combustion? Big difference. I assume you mean 'no spark as in no firing'.
First thing first is to check for spark. Quick and dirty check: grab an old plug and pull any wire off, ground strap of plug to engine and turn it over. Or use a timing light and see if it triggers when cranking- though only some lights will trigger off the weaker slow spark available while cranking. Newer ignition on the 14 should trigger it. Better is a spark checker that goes between the plug and wire, has a glass tube with 2 electrodes you can see the spark jump across. --- this is assuming it wont start. BEFORE checking for spark try and start it again. If it starts theres no point checking for spark lol. Unless it's an intermittent ignition problem. If you think thats it then first thing to do if so is unhook any aftermarket accessories that affect the wiring harness: PCIII, TRE, bike alarm, etc... PCIII have been known to fail. So have stock ECU's. Also check all wiring harness plugs, starting with the ECU, working up to the kill switch's (kick stand, ignition switch, kill switch) Have had all three of those go out on me in the past on various bikes. Kickstand was worst, it got out of position just enough that any big bump would kill the engine. About 20 hours later I figured it out... 6 more hours later bike was back together.
If its not a spark issue (unfortunately Im betting it is), its obviously a fueling issue. I cant help you there I dont know the fuel system layout. Usually if it was an air bubble issue it wouldnt have ran after refueling from my experience. If it did run it would have flushed the air out, spitting and sputtering until it was clear. BUT air in the fuel pressure regulator on cars has been known to cause large pressure fluctuations... Someone more knowledgable on the 14 can finish this for me?
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted November 06, 2007 09:09 AM
 Edited By: Sticks_n_Stones on 6 Nov 2007 09:10
Was the gauge really off that far? Did it take all 5.5 gallons to fill it back up? It could be related to the engine dying, loose main connector or something.
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ninja12
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posted November 06, 2007 12:40 PM
a quick shot of starter fluid will tell you if you have spark.
If it hit then you don't have fuel, if not you don't have spark.
Either case, I would start by checking all the connection under the seat and the fairings
especially near the kill switch and ignition switch plugs.
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted November 06, 2007 01:29 PM
Edited By: Sticks_n_Stones on 6 Nov 2007 13:29
Blew the intake housing apart on a ZX7 once with starter fluid doing just that Ninja12. backfires are a bitch and the aircleaner apparently didnt stop the flames
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ninja12
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posted November 06, 2007 03:06 PM
You had other problems, or you used waaaaaaay too much.
That's been my technique for years and never blew anything up.
All you're doing is checking for fire not tring to start the bike.
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posted November 06, 2007 03:38 PM
can we get a clearer sequence of events?
1 you ran out with half a tank indicated
2 it ran ok then sputtered out after refueling
3 won't run at all now?
sounds like maybe a fuel pump issue, clogged or inoperative, there has been someone that replaced a fuel pump for similar problem, i remember reading. i don't know how or if you determined no spark. i'm thinkin ther would be a few ways to see if the fuel pump was working like disconnect the fuel line and see if it pumps in to a container when the key is turned on.(safely of course)
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posted November 06, 2007 04:21 PM
Sounds also that maybe you got some bad gas water etc.....Lots of water in gas these days owners dont want to pay the high price for removal...Does the fuel pump wine up when you turn the key...If not change, after the spark is confirmed....Good luck...
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted November 06, 2007 06:00 PM
didnt think of water in gas. BUT: it happened during a ride. water sinks to the bottom of tank, would have shown itself within a block or so of refueling with it. Also: pump will only run for a second or two after key turned on.
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posted November 08, 2007 02:26 PM
sorry for the delays.. the FG needed more attention .. hehe
thanks so much S'n S !! ... lots to think about I havn't pondered since this bike ..
ran out and indicated 1/2 tank ..
fueled and didn't worry .. got home .. next day .. went tgo ride from front to back .. and blaw ...
so there it sits .. lots of gas .. shows more than half tank .. and nothing ..
so I still have to A) pull the pciii and test .. B) check that the fuels spews from filter ..
C) .. do NOT use sparks near spilled fuel . . D) .. check plugs .. E) .. come back to read more options if I'm not ready for a cold winter run .. down to freezing these past few nights. .
thanks guys .. going to poke around this weekend .. further reports to follow .. hopefully not ignition .. warranty just ran out ..
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posted November 09, 2007 05:22 AM
Had the exact problem on my V2K...check your TOS and your PC3. My PC3 ground wire connector had cracked but I had to look close to see it. Might help you T/S!
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posted March 06, 2008 04:18 PM
it's now next year .. and after charging up the batery it just started .. then died .. but now it seems that if I empty the full tank . and replace the plugs .. all is well ..
so .. no clear answer yet .. but I suspect that if it fixed itself .. it isn't fixed .. and the likely culprit is a ground .. onlt time before it strikes again .. will check it out before any long ride once time permits. .
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posted March 07, 2008 11:28 PM
check ground, fuses, relays...
sounds like poor ground or sticky relay...
really strange to have incorrect fuel indication, then no spark...
did it turn over easy?
if battery is dying or dead fuel pump will not
you say no spark, but did you have a plug cap off to check, or are you saying it wouldn't turn over, or do you mean it would not fire up, but turned over?...
see where I;m going here?
need to be more specific...
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posted March 08, 2008 11:08 PM
Anyone that uses the DJ instructions to ground under the plastic bottle is asking for trouble. There is an 8mm cover bolt one inch below that will not suffer that effect.
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posted March 09, 2008 01:07 PM
indestructions? LOL
I grounded mine where Blue/ ninja 14 said....
must think alike.... 
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posted March 09, 2008 01:23 PM
quote:
Anyone that uses the DJ instructions to ground under the plastic bottle is asking for trouble. There is an 8mm cover bolt one inch below that will not suffer that effect.
+1
That caused me MAJOR trouble too
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