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posted November 04, 2007 08:07 PM
Bike making extra HP in mountains
Can someone help me, I want my ZX14 to run in FL like it does in the mountains. I'm not sure if it was the colder air or the high elevation, but my bike has NEVER EVER came close to performing like it did as soon as I took it off the trailer in Gatlinburg.
Could the map be more adjusted to the altitude and I can get a custom dyno map for FL?
I can't stress how much better the bike ran regarding raw HP and pull, and I'm not exagerating. It was an entirely different bike.
Any input will be appreciated. I'm still hanging out in NC and will be riding low in Hickory and high in Wilkesboro and Mt Airy (the real Mayberry) and I'll see if its elevation differences.
I know this, the bike doesn't run in FL even close to as well as it runs up here.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted November 04, 2007 08:09 PM
Steve -- could it have been more to do with the cold air you think? These bike run wild in cold air...
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posted November 04, 2007 08:18 PM
If it was better then you must be running lean............ it got better when there was less air and it fattened up. You shoulda melted a piston or 2 by now if it's that lean though......prob was the temps.
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stevewfl
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posted November 04, 2007 08:52 PM
Maybe the temps. I wasn't expecting such a profound drastic change. If anything I thought the bike was running slightly rich in FL, it has a Brocks map for flies-out
Thanks fella's for the replies
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posted November 04, 2007 09:39 PM
Just got back from Mount Airy, passing the Flag on to ZXGRIFF. Weather was perfect for bikes. Not too hot, not to cool. It was 65 degrees. Bikes will always run better in cooler air. My bike makes 10HP more in Nov/Dec then it does in July/Aug, that's why it's always best to map your bike twice a year. Once for the cooler air then again for the hot humid air. Mapping will make the difference when it's done according to the air. In Florida, the seasonal changes is not as drastic or noticeable as it is here in NC, so you won't notice the difference as much there, where is always warm. Sometimes you really have to custom map a bike to the air/temp instead of just using, say a Maxton map or track map.
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ninja14
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posted November 04, 2007 10:22 PM
The inlet temp sensor should compensate. Any good dyno operator should end up w/ about the same map both times.
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posted November 04, 2007 10:25 PM
..I ride in the best air regular....just above sea level..high oxygen level through the trees densecool air..today was exceptional...Fraser Valley rocks......
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posted November 04, 2007 10:48 PM
in more technical terms..sometimes the air is better ....good luck...chasing the dragon...you pros know....
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posted November 05, 2007 06:33 AM
I have followed performance with a data acqusition unit at sea level - 1500 and 4,000 feet(Bonneville) and it stays within .2% - to me the fuel injection is incredible on this bike. Standard map is faster than the 200 map - in my bike at least..... doing land speed - they are identical at mid range and low rpm as I recall.
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posted November 05, 2007 08:35 AM
Steve... the thin air made you a little dizzy, it only seemed faster up there :d
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posted November 05, 2007 12:20 PM
Cooler Air...More Power..
Stevewfl:
Totally jealous that you are riding in NC. That said, I think you will be happier as it cools off here. I went out early on Sunday AM (62 degrees) and immediately noticed the improved response on my bike and I still have "flys". Cooler is better. It 'swhy I like Florida best between November and February. Ride that thing in like 45-50 degree temps and it will be insane fun. Not sold....yet.
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posted November 05, 2007 03:25 PM
Everytime they hold the Drags here in Ont Canada they break records... The elevationis a factor. I met John Force in London Ont. Got a shirt signed. Nice guy!
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posted November 05, 2007 03:29 PM
i,ve noticed a considerable increase in power with the cooler temps. will power wheelie @wot in first at any rpm without slamming the throttle closed first in temps below 60
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posted November 05, 2007 05:38 PM
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i,ve noticed a considerable increase in power with the cooler temps. will power wheelie @wot in first at any rpm without slamming the throttle closed first in temps below 60
Exact same thing here.
Over the last month I noticed this. First I leaned the map a little bit in some areas. Then I leaned the map in the LOW and MID via the PC buttons, -1 bar which is 2% I think.
This is how I will start out in the spring. Then as it wams up outside I may lean out even more MID, perhaps one more bar.
When you go backward (lose power) on the PC, you will feel it.
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posted November 05, 2007 05:51 PM
I'm still in shock that STEVE wouldn't know cold air makes more power. 
I'm appauled man.
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posted November 05, 2007 06:21 PM
Stevewfl knows it all Nick (he's a fricken engineer!), he's just attention whoring ;p
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posted November 05, 2007 07:30 PM
lol.....only steve..... 
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posted November 06, 2007 04:02 PM
mine seems to run better when i get on the cool air on the gandy bridge.....lol
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posted November 06, 2007 04:13 PM
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I'm still in shock that STEVE wouldn't know cold air makes more power.
I'm appauled man.
my point was that PROFOUND of difference. I lived in those mountains and already new bikes run better and people there talk normal :P
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posted November 06, 2007 07:14 PM
Steve, put some mr9 in your 14, it will feel like your riding in the mountains!!!
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