posted September 04, 2007 06:25 PM
steve you hear that a 14 doggin the r1 on the track, it is the rider.
as for the extra ponies ......oh yea kawi stays on top!
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quote:steve you hear that a 14 doggin the r1 on the track, it is the rider.
as for the extra ponies ......oh yea kawi stays on top!
ya'll won't quit with this 14 on the race track thing LMFAO
same rider on each bike and the R1 will KILL/Destroy/pummel the ZX14 regarding fastest lap times.
it doesn't take a rocket scientist or physics major to figure out the ZX14's longer wheel base, longer braking distance, softer suspension, slower corner speeds, WEIGHT, etc etc to know which bike is fastest around a race track.
here's a thought, in the open classes where riders can choose any bike have you EVER seen a ZX14 on the race track!? of course not the litres will squash that big thing :P
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posted September 04, 2007 07:47 PM
Damn guys...Steve's 100% right. No 14 or Busa can touch a 600 on the track, leave alone a 1000. When y'all gonna get that? Most of all, the 14 ain't got much power over a 10R or a Gixxer...take that and the 1000's unarguably superior handling -- and you've got one fucked 14 on a track. All you armchair track racers -- y'all need to get there and try some track; then you'll understand -- and don't be bringin' no 14, unless ya plan to crash it tryin' to catch a 600... ____________
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posted September 04, 2007 11:50 PM
All of you guys are debating this and that and all this other mess that don't answer the real questions here.
1) Will whatever was use that allows the 08 to have this extra 7hp bolt onto an 06 or 07?
2) Will whatever was used to get this extra HP take away from what a power commander and full exhaust system do? On a 06/07 a PC3 and exhaust nets you around 10hp, will the same setup on a 08 only net you 5hp therefore making the bikes virtually equal anyway.
These are the questions that need to be answered. Not how well a 14 performs on a road course, or how it will compete with the busa. IMHO, the 06/07 will compete very well with whatever numbers the new busa puts up anyway.
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207HP* '06 Candy Blue ZX-14
Some mods done
Best run - 10.19@137.40mph
People have watched the secondaries interrupt air flow down low to restrict the bike at low revs.
Has anyone actually watched them all the way through to redline in different gears? The reason I ask is that the slightest use of them near peak hp will send hp figures tumbling.
It would be a very simple way of capping the previous models peak hp and a simple change of programming could stop the secondaries doing this at high revs.
With the secondaries out, we see some existing 14s in the 190s or even higher with all the simple bolt ons.
posted September 05, 2007 05:23 AM
First steve I never said I raced my friends R1 at the track, thats what my TL1000R is for. It was on a mountain high speed switchback with alot of blind corners that I took him with the 14, which I couldnt do on the TLR (always a dead heat). On a track where he was comfortable? Probably not, though if I had Pilot Race and he still had his Pilot Power's maybe. We all agree, the quality of the rider is more important than any spec the bike has for road racing.
posted September 05, 2007 06:23 AM
I've seen several videos where the 14 was getting pretty low in the curves and I've drug my feet a couple times in the twisties. But corner speed is where it's at, not how low the bike can get in the turns. Although, I do feel more comfortable and I'm a little faster in the curves on my 14 vs my old zx6r, but I think that's because it was my first bike and I was just getting used to riding fast. I love my 14, it's a great all around bike ____________
2007 ZX-14 black
Brocks s-meg exhaust
PCIII w/track map
BMC race filter
Flies removed
16 tooth front sprocket
Speedohealer
APE cam chain tensioner
Vortex rearsets
posted September 05, 2007 06:43 AM
2 big drawbacks to cornering the 14: It's weight is felt with a vengeance once you get past 3/4 lean - which is why nearly all 14's chickenstripes are exactly half inch from the sides of the tires. It wants to 'fall' into the corner at lower angles and its a very unsettling feeling that you must get past, or just hang off if you have enough weight to offset it. Also, the soft suspension moves too much between braking for the corner, cornering loads, then accelerating out of the corner. It's the reason race-replica sport bikes have such stiff suspension. You can work thru it but... just order a set of springs if you want to rail it, less than $300 at any dealer, and 1 day of your own labor or 3-4 hours of shop time to install. Trust me, it makes it a different bike! The other thing is the wheelbase being so long its more difficult to do switchbacks and dramatically increases you time from straight up to full lean-unless you're a big sob like me and are willing to throw your weight around on it. Even then it's no 600, but then again if that 600 only puts a bike or two length on you in the S turns he aint no 14 on the next straight, either! BTW, if you start your braking too soon any top speed advantage to just earned is wasted- learn your braking points guys, if you just use engine braking to set up for a corner (like 99% of street riders do) you are wasting some of the best brakes in the industry and negating your overwhelming power advantage. Steve and his 600 Honda will late brake right by you AND beat you in the corners. Learn your bike! If you arent pushing the limits of traction at every possible opportunity (on a track) then you are WASTING time. Guys who ride full throttle to full brakes to corner entry will beat you, even if you have a faster corner speed, which on a 14 is hard to do. Good luck and keep it outta the ditch and in your own lane.
posted September 05, 2007 07:13 AM
Edited By: smokinzx14 on 5 Sep 2007 08:13
Come on Guys this thread is about the New zx14 packing more power !! Not if the damn thing can turn !!! You guys act like you could give a shit about the 08 zx14 getting more power ?? I think you guys are missing the whole point here , Mother Kawi is giving us the most power full production bike EVER and all you can talk about is turning a 500+ pound tank ? If you want to turn i understand Kawi makes a liter bike that seems to do that very good , it's called a zx10 .........Now move on please... ____________
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Tampa Bay , FL .. Brocks Performance Dealer ..
Gen 2 ZX14R Best ET 8.43 , Best MPH 164.95
posted September 05, 2007 08:58 AM
Sorry, point taken
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2007 ZX-14 black
Brocks s-meg exhaust
PCIII w/track map
BMC race filter
Flies removed
16 tooth front sprocket
Speedohealer
APE cam chain tensioner
Vortex rearsets
posted September 05, 2007 09:02 AM
Personally if the 1399CC ZX14R is on the box to be unveiled, I am definitely sold and will have one in the garage. Love to hit curves but guess I will become a str8t line guy 95% of the time. Hey and that takes away some of the danger on the road when man-thinking comes about........no hitting the curve first and holding the lead onthe street. Yes I have been stupid a time or two.
Secondly, I hope they really pull all the stop wwith the 08. If a little porting and few mod to stock parts can bring over 200HP (from the Head Porting Topic), then surely KAW can do it out the box.
posted September 05, 2007 09:43 AM
Edited By: Sticks_n_Stones on 5 Sep 2007 10:44
On the issue of multiple 14 types, I think that guy was mistaking the Connie for another version of the ZX14. But his mention of a R is very interesting. Just hope they do more than tack on 7 hp to make it a "R" model. Maybe a "DR" model (drag race) lol. And if anyone here thinks with smog and noise regulations getting stricter and stricter that they can make anymore power out of the exhaust or much if any out of the computer you're mistaken. It will have to be mechanical in nature. The regulations are making the exhausts start to resemble the 1980's where they took up so much power that uncorking them was a goldmine of power in. Supplant the PCIII for the rejetting kits (not much more expensive, 1980's $$ to 2007 $$). Trust me guys, these regs are not all bad! The manufacturers are forced to make better and better engines to just turn around and 'detune' them with crappy smog stuff. Enter Brock looking like "Bill" in the commercials who uses the penile enhancement pills and is always smiling. I love those commercials.
posted September 06, 2007 10:16 AM
plan on going fast in 08
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posted September 06, 2007 03:44 PM
see you in the rear view
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