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posted August 19, 2007 06:41 PM
 Edited By: smokinzx14 on 19 Aug 2007 19:46
Canada Introduced $10,000 Speeding Ticket
The Canadian Government is in dire need of money. In Ontario, Canada , Premier Dalton McGuinty announced that if you are caught speeding 31 mph (50 kph) over the speed limit, it will be considered that you were street racing, even if you're alone.
Getting caught street racing will set you back $10,000 (that US$ 9305), and serious jail time (up to 6 months). The new law also puts an enormous power in the hands of the Police, since all it'll take is the word of the officer that you were speeding.
The Safer Roads Act states "There is no appeal from, or right to be heard before, a vehicle detention, driver's license suspension or vehicle impoundment under the street racing subsection".
In order to make sure that they maximize the revenue they can generate from this new law, McGuinty proposes to hire 55 new traffic officers and buy a surveillance airplane. Judging by the costs, I'm quite sure that they have already established when they'll break even and start making a profit.
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When is it going to end ??? Next they will be giving out the death sentence for speeding on a motorcycle !!!!!
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posted August 19, 2007 06:47 PM
talk about upping the stakes....geez. guess that would give you 10000 reasons to keep haulin ass!
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posted August 19, 2007 07:19 PM
It won't go so far as a death sentence if only for the reason they can't collect from a dead person and it cost money to execute someone.
They're like so many government bodies in that they want to hire 55 new officers and buy an airplane so they have to charge a lot for the tickets. When people learn of this and start obeying the speed limits, where does that government get the money to pay for the plane and new employees? You can bet your ass they will find some other way to get in the pockets of their constituents.
I don't know what the answer to these money hungry beasts are, but term limits seems a good place to start. If they had to serve one term and go back out among us, maybe they wouldn't pass such punitive laws. At least this might help in the U.S. where the law makers, in many instances, grow old and die without ever leaving the protection of their positions.
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posted August 19, 2007 07:22 PM
Edited By: dubious on 19 Aug 2007 20:28
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talk about upping the stakes....geez. guess that would give you 10000 reasons to keep haulin ass!
yup,
fast tags... will sell real well!
YUP exactly 10,000 more reasons to keep haulin ass... 
Its not such a big deal, I never rode that much faster than the limit unless, I had an out already anyway...
1352 ways out!
No seriously I have been a good samaritan, and they have tried to nickel and dime my license for trivial, and mostly questional speeding charges, 10 km/hr oevr is like 6mph... fuck you pigs...
This will create a whole new problem.... just watch the headlines this time next year.
Mark my words...
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posted August 19, 2007 09:24 PM
Canada feels having among the highest tax rate of any nation on earth isn't earning the state enough revenue.
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posted August 20, 2007 04:50 AM
Getting that way here in the UK too. If you steal, do drugs or vandalise property you get a slap on the wrist and a Social Worker to help you through life, as you are obviously a poor unfortunate thing. Try speeding and it's Jail.
The lunatics are in charge of the asylum.
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posted August 20, 2007 07:34 AM
Socialism is a motherpucker.....
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posted August 20, 2007 07:36 AM
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Socialism is a motherpucker.....
ya, Canada PROVES that too!
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posted August 20, 2007 11:46 AM
Is Canada a communist regime???
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posted August 20, 2007 12:35 PM
just talked to my buddy who is hwy patrol and states that it is only a law passed for Ontario residence ?
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posted August 20, 2007 01:47 PM
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Is Canada a communist regime???
not much differance between communism and socialism
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posted August 20, 2007 02:05 PM
It's probably just for Virginia residents driving through Canada.....Bastards.
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posted August 20, 2007 03:05 PM
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It's probably just for Virginia residents driving through Canada.....Bastards.
too f-n funney dude
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posted August 20, 2007 05:07 PM
It's why I ride the stealth roads....
Guys:
Tickets have always been about revenue collection! We have awesome performance at our fingertips so it requires "thought" before you twist your wrist wherever you live. The 4-wheel public sees hyper performance bikes as reckless and the squids justify that view every time someone pulls the 130 in a 45 zone or other similiar "stupidity". We have to be smart about it.
I used to live in the high enforcement, speedtrap invested Northeastern U.S. and Florida isn't perfect by any means, but its all relative. To my Canadian fellow 14 owners, good luck as that law...sucks!!!
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posted August 21, 2007 07:22 AM
Bottom line is th epolice should be enforing safety, not revenue, but then it has always been about $$$$$$$ hasnt it. SO they do nothing about f*&^%%^ cagers on cell phones and drunk morons driving. Or people trying to eat and drive etc. Thousand of other unsafe acts. What about the freakin BS cars leaving a smokescreen a mile long... or tires as blad as Dick Cheney head. No, cite every motorcycle and sports car because they must have been speeding....assholes
IT HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT PUCLIC SAFETY Communist asshole fuckwads!
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posted August 21, 2007 07:31 AM
"they do nothing about f*&^%%^ cagers on cell phones and drunk morons driving. Or people trying to eat and drive etc."
Haven't we all done at least some of these things while caging
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posted August 21, 2007 08:55 AM
Edited By: buddy on 21 Aug 2007 09:57
If the government wanted to save lives and protect people from speeding, the easiest and most sure way to get people to slow down is to make police cars prominent-not hide behind signs and allow speeding so tickets can be issued and revenue collected.
I go fast on race tracks and very seldom speed on public roads, I just hate the liars (government employees can be substituted for liars). I'm convinced speeding tickets are primarily about revenue and not safety.
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posted August 21, 2007 05:14 PM
Don't even get me started on the mother fuckers who READ NOVELS while driving 50 to 55 in a 65mph zone!!! That should be a crime. Hell, maybe it is..... Just the same, I hate those people! I think I need to learn to control my road rage while I'm typing!! 
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posted August 26, 2007 04:58 AM
It was a real sad day when that law was passed. I didnt even know about it.
I dont read the papers, I dont listen to the radio. They had air planes in the 70's collecting money when they went from imperial measurement to meteric. They couldnt afford to fly the planes after a year due to a lack of funds. The project was shut down. We have alot of wealthy people here in Ontario Canada that own sports cars. The law is unconstitutional. It will be challenged. Think of all the lawyers with their sports cars. It is my choice to speed or drive the posted speed. Speeding is speeding. Look at the word speeding in the dictionary.
I drive the 400 to the 401 every morning. In 1986 I owned a mustang GT 5 litre. I pulled onto the highway at 120km. I thought I was doing good. I had a truck and car charging up my ass. I accelerated to 160 before I was keeping up with the traffic. Our roads are congested. Due to a lack of planning. Our bridges must be torn down to make way for the new highways that must be created. Last week I had to goto Toronto again. I was still doing 160 with traffic. Keep in mind this was rush hour,I was not on a bike. If I was on a bike this would have been considered careless. Our roads have been constructed for 4 wheel traffic. Corners posted at 60 I can take at 100-120 without any issues due to lane width. We are more nimble, and better trained than your average automobile owner.
They know what they have done. No need to state the obviouse. But they the law makers dont care. Heavy penalties dont work. Look at the war on drugs. They have lost that 1. They have already lost this 1. I feel bad for the ones that loose their lives trying to get away from the OPP. The law makers have communicated this msg quite clearly, dont speed or you will pay not only thru you over taxed wallet but we will impound your vehicle. Jail sentence also? Wow. Knowing that. How many drivers period will stick around? How many innoscent people did they just kill because this driver is scared stiff. How many officers are now going to cause accidents? How much money than are we going to put into a system to cover legal fees? How about the therapy for those over burdened officers out in the field already upset over handing out a ticket to a family that can barely afford to put food on the table. Mind you they have tried to take some of the pressure off their constibles by having them point laser photo at on comming cars. They have been able to reduce the human connection between the ticket e and the officers. Known as the cash grab. I discussed this with a man that headed up the opp in a region. We were good friends. I told him in the 80's what the opp were going to do. Photo radar on the roads, he had stated no way. We are not like that. I told him points would no longer matter. It was going to be just for the cash. He strongly disagreed. I was right. The government does not want to pay for law enforcement. They want the law breakers to pay for it. Where did the funding go for them? Where did the government spend the money? Why does the money go into the police coffers? When doesnt the government collect the money. Do we really need more hidden officers on the road? Ask your self why they need to hid. Because out in the open they cannot collect as much money. We dont speed due to the reminder that we should do the speed limit. We are a heavily policed province. Toronto Police/York Regional Police/ Barrie Police/ OPP/Bradford West Gwillimbury Police - one the best equipped in Ont I might add. Forgive me if I missed a law enforcement agancy in the area. This is their biggest money maker.
It is no secret that the law enforcement agancies have quotas. They get in shit if they do not meet their quota for tickets. I know this due to friends. I do not stand for what they do and they know this. A coulple of them try to gain points thru other calls. ie - dead guy on toilet call. It is alot of stress so they get extra points. But how long can an officer of the law do that before it takes its toll. How can an officer of the LAW enforce the LAW like this. They have been trained that it is acceptable to lie. No I cannot rip up this ticket. No I cannot let you go on this infraction. I have already called it in. What they go thru daily I would not want to deal with. But I can lay my head down at night and sleep sound.
I just wish they would look after the drunk driving in MUSKOKA. Speeding? Moot issue.
I have a tone of bottles on my front yard every year. Vodka is the choice of drink it seems. Beer bottles to expensive to throw out maybe. Anyways the tow trucks have been busy pulling ass's out of the ditches up here steady. People when they come up here do not think the laws pertain to them. But you can bet you can find the OPP swarming the highway ticketing the tourists comming and going from the region. Maybe they are the cause of the drinking? The stress of the millions of dollars they are making. Madd piss off. You have done some good but you have failed. Get back on track. You were a big push on this law. You lobied for it.
Now as for me. I drive the speed limit alot more than I used to. I have slowed down dramatically. I had alot of fun. I did not hurt nobody but myself. I am no saint. I will still speed. How fast though. Well 101 in a posted 100 zone is speeding.
81 in a posted 80 is speeding. It is safe to say I will speed. They were suposed to raise the speed limit on the 400 series highways years ago. 120kmh. They shot it down. Theaverage speeding ticket is well over 120 on our highways. They knew they would loose a great deal of their revenue thru speeding tickets. They tried to pin it on safety. Safety was not the issue. We were already exceeding that on our roads. (With no issues)
They now advertise safety blitz weeks to aleviate the conciouse of their constables. "We warned you attitudes" here is your ticket. Shouldn't law enforcement be 24 7?
IT IS NOTHING BUT A BUSINESS. TAX GRAB.
Yes we are over taxed. Yes I will be moving in the near future.
Ontario has been my home from birth and now it screams leave. Get out before I suck you dry! Toronto is going bankrupt. Missmanagement. Everyone envolved in that should be held accountable. Employed and elected alike.
I have a solution. 407. Autoban. Open it up pay per use. It is already a toll highway. Keep trucks off the highway.
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posted August 26, 2007 06:48 AM
50 new highway sherrifs in Alberta this year and 20 more coming....
They fund themselves with the fines they doll out. Government stated as long as they can fund themselves they would create more positions..
So now we have armed security officers patrolling the highways in droves, handing out bogus tickets.
3 people i know now personally who were handed tickets for 30 over when they had the cruis control set at 15-20 over the limit....
Thay get paid tripple time for court, while the people have to take time off to set a court date, and another the fight the ticket...
Lets see, tripple Overtime time vs 1.5 lost time... yeah how many will fight it?
They know the racket it is.
The system has become intentionally overhandedly abusive.
Bogus .
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posted August 26, 2007 11:43 AM
I have a few friends who like to go up to Canada for the annual Caribana fest. I was planning on going this year but something came up. I won't be taking my bike to Canada now since that's the case because me and my crew like to ride real fast. 10,000 is another motorcycle. That's crazy!
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posted August 26, 2007 02:54 PM
The Anti-police rhetoric is getting a wee bit insane here.
The legislators have come up with this legislation in answer to some real nasty accidents that have killed non-participants in the past few years.
The 10K ids Maximum fine, not mandatory fine. And with all Provincial offence notices, you get your day in court and over half are tossed as the officers are not in court as they are required on the road.
As for only going after speeders??? C'mon, there are plenty of other tickets issued. Now that said, yes there is a huge push for increased enforcement of speeding for numerous reasons.
1)It's and election year in Ontario for the Socialist left wing douche bag Liberal party.
2)Public opinion has been set by the left leaning media (bad bad speeders)
#)And yea, revenue.
Just remember the pursuit regulations in Ontario for the Police basically prohibits pursuing a bike.... aka, gera down and F.O.
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posted August 26, 2007 05:15 PM
1)It's and election year in Ontario for the Socialist left wing douche bag Liberal party.
+1
They'll trash any nation.
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posted August 26, 2007 05:30 PM
hehe he said douche bag hehe
sounds like one of our democratic candidates
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posted August 26, 2007 05:42 PM
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hehe he said douche bag hehe
sounds like one of our democratic candidates
+1 !
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