Ojref
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posted July 27, 2007 06:50 AM
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06/07 stock R1 should not be able to keep up with the stock 14, right?
Had an interesting experience Tuesday evening. Got on a freeway with a 06/07 R-1, stock cans on - turned out to be totally stock w/ a 189 lb rider. Was not able to ditch him, even over 160. Let him get in front of me, I wasn't able to pull him at all. Mind you, I've had a sneaking suspicion that my stock bike is running very lean from the factory, and I really haven't been impressed with the stock power from day one. My flys are removed, and aside from normal maintenance, it's all stock. For the moment... I weigh 216 lbs sans gear, and the gear I was wearing at the time including backpack had to weigh about 15 lbs total.
Called Brocks and ordered a PCIII and Jet-hot coated SMEG. At least I'm going to get the AFR on this damn thing straight across the board, something the factory didn't seem able to do, according to the various stock dyno's I've seen.
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posted July 27, 2007 07:14 AM
if you look at the some of the qtr mile, 0 to 60 result in liter bikes., they are about tenth off zx14. so bottom line is these bike are so close in performance that comes to rider skill plus you are about 40 pounds more weight than him ( including is your gear and back pack) so you should n't feel too bad. at least he did not whoop you know what 
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posted July 27, 2007 07:36 AM
Edited By: shawnski on 27 Jul 2007 08:37
hey ojref, we need to get together oneday and run our bikes together for couple of roll ons and see how they compare. i have brocks mega and pc and no flies.
that is when this son of bitch weather permits RAIN....RAIN.... RAIN .... 
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posted July 27, 2007 07:47 AM
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hey ojref, we need to get together oneday and run our bikes together for couple of roll ons and see how they compare. i have brocks mega and pc and no flies.
that is when this son of bitch weather permits RAIN....RAIN.... RAIN ....
Yeah, I can't ride the bike nor drive the truck at all due to the shitty weather. You'll likely beat me on the roll-ons easily. I'm going to schedule some dyno time at Honda Northwest Saturday morning (weather permitting) to get a good solid "before" baseline. Wouldn't be surprised if the SOB was only putting down 160/95 SAE.
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posted July 27, 2007 09:59 AM
If it's all stock i bet it only making low 160s...And you took out the flys and have no P/C? I'll bet you are lean the low and mid range.. Get your smeg and map and you will think you got a hole new bike ...Smokin..
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posted July 27, 2007 10:39 AM
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posted July 27, 2007 01:07 PM
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If it's all stock i bet it only making low 160s...And you took out the flys and have no P/C? I'll bet you are lean the low and mid range.. Get your smeg and map and you will think you got a hole new bike ...Smokin..
so what happened to 175 hp by factory claimed or tested by different magazines?
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posted July 27, 2007 03:10 PM
my bike stright, an ri can't come close, i never even look at r1's as a bike i would run, i got one for rideing curves an just rideing with my wife, she rides, my zx-10, an gixxer 1000 lv it
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posted July 27, 2007 04:16 PM
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If it's all stock i bet it only making low 160s...And you took out the flys and have no P/C? I'll bet you are lean the low and mid range.. Get your smeg and map and you will think you got a hole new bike ...Smokin..
so what happened to 175 hp by factory claimed or tested by different magazines?
Factory never claimed 175 HP they claimed 197 to the crank with ram air ....Factory never use RWHP they use Crank HP ....But you are right some Magazines claimed 175 on their dyno tests ..... As we have seen in the past the Magazine dynos are on the happy side ...... Smokin..
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posted July 27, 2007 04:22 PM
liter bikes will fly with light rider.some will leave you up to 170mph roll on if the liter bike guy is 160 pounds vs the same weight.horse power diff what 10 and weight of bike over 100 pounds.the faster you go the 14 will top out better but getting there may be the liter bike.im talking just roll on not from dead stop.
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posted July 27, 2007 05:51 PM
in an race of flat out straight line acceleration such as a roll on there is no bigger factor then weight 25-30 pounds is a HUGE difference!!! With same weight rider a 14 will pull on any litrebike but it aint going to be as bad as a lot of people think it would be maybe 2 or 3 bikes from 45 to 140
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posted July 27, 2007 06:43 PM
Edited By: Ojref on 27 Jul 2007 19:46
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in an race of flat out straight line acceleration such as a roll on there is no bigger factor then weight 25-30 pounds is a HUGE difference!!! With same weight rider a 14 will pull on any litrebike but it aint going to be as bad as a lot of people think it would be maybe 2 or 3 bikes from 45 to 140
Well, I sure the hell ain't going to loose hard-earned muscle mass to show a punk ass up. Dollars = horsepower, and I'm sure a turbo + BST rims will cure just about any situation I've left the 14 alone because I've been putting the cash in other vehicles, plus I reasoned that it had plenty from the factory. Whelp, it's been same situation I get into every time I buy something fast, it doesn't quite perform to (my) expectations out of the box. I think the only thing that would is the Bugatti Veryon, and I'm not willing to part ways with 1.4MM to find out.
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posted July 27, 2007 06:53 PM
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If it's all stock i bet it only making low 160s...And you took out the flys and have no P/C? I'll bet you are lean the low and mid range.. Get your smeg and map and you will think you got a hole new bike ...Smokin..
so what happened to 175 hp by factory claimed or tested by different magazines?
Factory never claimed 175 HP they claimed 197 to the crank with ram air ....Factory never use RWHP they use Crank HP ....But you are right some Magazines claimed 175 on their dyno tests ..... As we have seen in the past the Magazine dynos are on the happy side ...... Smokin..
Kinda funny how that happens, eh? Kind of like most people are pulling stock 162-166 and the almighty Busa of yore is pulling 149-153. Funny to see the concept of factory "Ringers" hasen't died yet... I remember when the Vmax first came out and ran a 10.78 nobody could duplicate it on a public copy. Turns out the press demo bike had a wee bit more compression, timing and some polished and matched intakes....
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posted July 27, 2007 07:04 PM
R1s look sweet.
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posted July 27, 2007 07:43 PM
i have almost run over liter bikes when we all gas it from the slow. the 14 has no match properly tuned. and don't even think about the big end, the 14 has way too much up top as well. i am 260 and ride with smaller guys on literbikes all the time. they don't want any of this.
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posted July 27, 2007 09:59 PM
If yo uknow the guy well enough... just switch bikes and try the exact same 'race'. It seems his weight and driving ability have assited him a lot. I am not suggesting that you are not good, but maybe this guy has some talent. This will help you see if it is your bike, or the lbs and ability. Again, not to question your ability... but it is worth a try. If he blows away on your 14... that would answer your question/dilemna. If not, I would assume that there is a bit of an issue on your bike. I don't race... but have done a few 1 to 2 gears and have been able to handle the litres pretty well. I did hit a gut that had some gearing and had his bike lowered. He really moved out. It was pretty close. He has a 2006 yellow blue Honda 1000rr and after 7000 his bike is holding the front up about a foot and when he hits 2nd it stays at the same level. He also has the Jardine pipe. I must say that when I rode it, for it being 100 or so pounds less... the brakes still are sub par compared to the 14. I couldn't even get it to slow with the back brake from 50mph. And just to reiterate... my 14 with flies out... is safer in and coming out of the corners as his bike rips the back tire away WAY too easy. I almost high sided due to the throttle control. He was going to disconnect his flies. He says that all he has to do is remove the vaccum line and cap it and the flies remain open. He has read that the bike is more controlable. Ww will see. He can bring up the front on 3rd like nothing. Amazing what the new bikes are capable of. .
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posted July 27, 2007 11:14 PM
Well guys i have an 06 14 and stock for stock there was nothing touching my 14. I never did a roll on i always did drag from a dead stop. In the 1/4 i had an r1 line up with me at the time he was stock also. I killed him, he ate me off the line but by the 1/8 i picked him up and left him. He tried again and i beat him again. The next time i meet up with him he told me you will never beat me again. The first run he beat me and i knew he had something done but i could not put my finger on it. The second race i left harder and beat him. The third he walked around me at the line and i knew then that he had to have some work done cause he pulled on me in the top end. He finally said he had some work done but he would not say what except he got a pipe, powercommander, and a quick shifter so he say. I can say after that week no one was running stock anymore but me. I beat them all stock for stock busa, r1, gsxr1000, and zx12. I must say i respect the gsxr1000 more out of all of them. That little fu**** give me more trouble than even the busa. Unless you really know him he might not be running stock. Sorry for making this so long.
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posted July 28, 2007 03:54 AM
i'm not a drag racer but have not come across anything that can keep up on a roll-on including many moded litre bikes and hayabusas. gsx 1000 is a tough customer though. i don't think weight is a huge factor on the street with this bike because of the massive torque. this is a heavy bike and i'm big guy but most can't even come close to catching me.
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posted July 28, 2007 10:56 AM
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If it's all stock i bet it only making low 160s...And you took out the flys and have no P/C? I'll bet you are lean the low and mid range.. Get your smeg and map and you will think you got a hole new bike ...Smokin..
so what happened to 175 hp by factory claimed or tested by different magazines?
Factory never claimed 175 HP they claimed 197 to the crank with ram air ....Factory never use RWHP they use Crank HP ....But you are right some Magazines claimed 175 on their dyno tests ..... As we have seen in the past the Magazine dynos are on the happy side ...... Smokin..
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posted July 28, 2007 01:01 PM
Edited By: Ojref on 28 Jul 2007 14:02
Can't post pictures right now, but just got back from the dyno. 154/94. Yep. AFR all over the freaking map, way too lean, even at 8K. There was a 07 pulled last week all stock that did 170/102, and he's seen between 174-165 on stock bikes, depending on chain and tire wear. He's seen only one other bike as bad as mine, and he said that Kawasaki wound up doing a ECU reflash to fix it. I'm going to make a visit some time next week at the dealer's service department to see what's involved with a reflash request.
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posted July 28, 2007 03:39 PM
154/94 on a dyno that has showed another stock 14 at 170's means there is definately soemthing wrong... But for you guys that think weight doesnt have a lot to do with things try a roll on against a forty pound lighter rider on another 14 and then tell me weight isnt an issue... I weigh 285 and my bike is stretched lowered SMEG air shifter flies out all the goodies I have a friend in town that rides a 14 with D&D slip ons stretched and no PC with the flies out and in a roll on from 1st gear all the way to top of fifth he pulls me so hard It aint even funny at least ten bikes maybe more... guess what he weighs 175 pounds
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posted July 28, 2007 04:28 PM
weight is definitely a big factor, everything else being equal, try running the 100 yard dash with a bowling ball in each hand
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posted July 28, 2007 04:41 PM
On road tracks I barely pull the faster1000s down the straights. Hell a guy on his wifes full race R6 would get the jump on me and hold it abit exiting corners. He had that lil motor rapped out.(She obviously taught him how to keep that sucker on the pipe!!)
But then I'm usually rolling it on from 4000 rpm or so. When I push the edge of traction no one comes close.
I only ride at 80-90% for track days.
Which is 200% more than I'll do on the street....., Oh yea my Prepaid Legal just beat the triple digit ticket from march and over 10 have died on Wa. roads since then.
I'll save it for the track
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posted July 28, 2007 06:20 PM
i agree, 110 lbs. is way too much to give up apples for apples. i was talking more about the hundred lb. vs. the 20hp and 30ft/lb difference between the 14 and your average litre bike during a roll-on
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posted July 28, 2007 06:43 PM
Edited By: Jim K on 28 Jul 2007 19:47
I did a roll on with a guy on a GSXR 750. Him 150 lbs.. me 250 lbs, his bike is a lot lighter than a 14 too. On the jump he pulled me BIG TIME. At about 130 mph I caught him and at 150mph I was gone!!!
Who says an R1 won't run with a 14... these bikes are so closely matched ... the difference would be tenths!
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