posted July 12, 2007 04:49 PM
Brocks Map vs. Dyno Tune Don't know if this has been brought up before but...... I was just wondering if it was worth getting my bike dyno tuned since I already have brocks map for the Gen3 and no secondaries. I don't know how much they can improve on the map because I know how extensive brock works on his maps for optimal power. Does anyone have any input or experience with this. Also, will you have to remap if you get that new BMC air filter. I emailed brock, just haven't heard back from him yet.
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posted July 12, 2007 04:56 PM
I started my dyno session with the same noflies map....the tuner made minor adjustments down low, but didn't touch anything on the big end. Pretty sure the tweaks down low were to lean it out a bit...I'm around 4000ft, so it was super rich. After 5ooo miles, I plugged in the SMEG map I got from smokin' and haven't touched a thing since.
My 2 cents, brocks maps are fine unless you are trying to squeeze every last inch of hp.....and your tuner knows what he's doing.
quote:Don't know if this has been brought up before but...... I was just wondering if it was worth getting my bike dyno tuned since I already have brocks map for the Gen3 and no secondaries. I don't know how much they can improve on the map because I know how extensive brock works on his maps for optimal power. Does anyone have any input or experience with this. Also, will you have to remap if you get that new BMC air filter. I emailed brock, just haven't heard back from him yet.
Trust me on this on ....Leave it alone....Other guys have had thier zx14 dyno'd with Brocks maps and the tuner said i can't make that any better than it is ....Smokin...
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posted July 12, 2007 07:07 PM
"will you have to remap if you get that new BMC air filter"
brocks maps work fine with no filter, smokin ran same times with bmc filter or no filter
that means ok with bmc to me
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posted July 12, 2007 08:47 PM
Brock's on vacation. Most likely why you haven't heard from him.
Tuning your bike for every last HP on a dyno doesn't mean it will carry over onto the street. Brock knows his shit. Just my .02, but the 1/4 times 14s are posting with his stuff is proof.
posted July 12, 2007 09:03 PM
I am at a mile high, map was a tad rich in the bottom but right on the money everywhere else. I made no changes to the Brock's street map with no flies.
posted July 13, 2007 07:27 AM
brocks map works good. But he even says for you to get the bike dynoed. His maps are base maps for your combination. There is no map for all areas. Dont get me wrong. His map are very good. Theres a difference in his elevation and mine plus humidity. Thats why he says for you to get it dynoed in your area.
posted July 13, 2007 08:30 AM
I figure maps are tuned for particular altitudes....
Different altitudes different map..
My Powercommander came with map a for muzzy full exhaust .. However map was done in Oregon... I live in South Dakota with 2000 ft altitude difference..
when I had it dynoed it was way off from the muzzy map...this was for my 2004 ZX-10R...
so it depends on altitude differences (where you live) if you need to re-map Brocks map on the ZX-14 I would think...
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posted July 13, 2007 08:34 AM
Altitude, Humidity, Average Temp all make a difference. Might get a tune at sea level in Seattle, prolly won't be the same as a tune at sea level in San Diego!
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quote:brocks map works good. But he even says for you to get the bike dynoed. His maps are base maps for your combination. There is no map for all areas. Dont get me wrong. His map are very good. Theres a difference in his elevation and mine plus humidity. Thats why he says for you to get it dynoed in your area.
I dont think Brock has ever said this... every time I mention to him about my map being spot on he says and I quote "That is what I have been trying to tell people" that said I am sure Brock would agree that if you live in a place with extreme altitude differences say Denver or Death Valley then yeah you might want to get his map tweaked a little, But I dont think Brock would advise anyone to spend 200+ dollars gettting a full tune
posted July 14, 2007 06:05 AM
So, here's my comment and question.
Configuration: Gen 3 StreetSmart, Flies Out, Brock's Street Map (With Stock Air Filter and Pump Gas)
Ride Style: Back road twisties, semi-agressive. Don't drag race.
COMMENT+QUESTION: I have no problem with throttle response using Brock's map and the bike seems to run great with it. My issue is that the back end of my pipe generates a ton of black soot. I've been accused of blowing black soot out all over the guys behind me when I slam the throttle starting from around 4K rpm. They also tell me they can smell gas fumes when I'm at a steady 4.5K rpm cruise. I pulled the mid-pipe and can off last week and the insides are coated with black soot. Seems to be running very rich in the low end. I've been thinking about leaning the low end out and leaving the high end where it is. Anyone have this black soot build-up like I do and anyone lean it out somewhat? If so, did it impact your throttle response or engine temperature?
posted July 14, 2007 07:22 AM
raptor, what elevation are you at? I had the EXACT same setup and issues as you. My tuner took a little fuel out down low, but admitted that he could not make the topend any better than Brock's map. I had it remapped at 4000ft. I have the map on my laptop at work. Shoot me a PM with your e-mail and I can get it to you on Monday.
posted July 14, 2007 09:02 AM
Raptor, here is another thing to keep in mind. Big HOT motors need lots of fuel down low. If you start to lean it out you may develop a bog. Then the hotter the outside temps get, the more fuel you will need down low. This is generally the rule for what we could refer to as the 'pilot' circuit in a carb for example!! It applies to our Fuel Injected systems too.
My pipe is black too. But as evident in my video as I watched the A/F at 60mph cruise, it's at high 13's to 1 up to low 14's to 1. When I get my laptop computer (hurry up DELL and deliver the damn thing!) next week, I am gonna copy the current map I am running and lean out the bottom end at the cruising rpms and throttle position. I suspect it'll give me lean bogs....but we'll see.
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posted July 15, 2007 12:48 PM
Here in CT the ambient temperature is typically between 50 and 85 F when I'm out riding on the 14. Occasionally it gets into the upper 90s and has even made it to 100 for a day or so. I'm not so concerned that the back end of the pipe turns black as it has done that on all my bikes that I've either rejetted or remapped. But the 14 is significantly worse than any bike I've ever owned. Just like the decel pop, it's something that I can live with if it is giving me the best performance and not screwing up my exhaust valves with excessive carbon buildup.
I'd be interesting in what happens when you lean it out. What do you considering cruising rpm? I/m usually in the 4-4.5K range for cruising.
posted July 15, 2007 03:43 PM
Raptor, most of my cruising has been at the same as you. Just today I cruised at 4000 and a little less at times on a trip on the highway. My riding temps are similar to yours. I don't get significant decel pop.
I will post what happens when I lean mine out on bottom...just waiting on that new DELL laptop!!
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COMMENT+QUESTION: I have no problem with throttle response using Brock's map and the bike seems to run great with it. My issue is that the back end of my pipe generates a ton of black soot. I've been accused of blowing black soot out all over the guys behind me when I slam the throttle starting from around 4K rpm. They also tell me they can smell gas fumes when I'm at a steady 4.5K rpm cruise. I pulled the mid-pipe and can off last week and the insides are coated with black soot. Seems to be running very rich in the low end. I've been thinking about leaning the low end out and leaving the high end where it is. Anyone have this black soot build-up like I do and anyone lean it out somewhat? If so, did it impact your throttle response or engine temperature?
Mine is black and sooty too.... I had it dyno and A/F checked. It was fine, I think the soot may be from the decel back fire ?
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posted July 15, 2007 08:13 PM
I feel my canned map is slightly rich, but agree with TM I think the majority of "sooty" on mine is decel back fire residue
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