jdzx14
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posted July 10, 2007 06:05 PM
Kinda dissapointed and lost!!
Hey guys, I finally got around to getting my bike tuned, and I want your honest opinion. Here are all the facts. The bike is an 07 Zx-14 with 3800 miles. Mods include Full Muzzy 4-2-1, BMC race filter, pcIII, and no secondaries, all runs are with 93 octane. The weather is pretty crappy- about 82F with 82% humidity. First pull was with zero map which made 166.5hp. With the tune made 170.85 which he is gonna spend all night on it and he thinks he can get a little more but I am confused on why most of the bikes i read about on here make 180-190hp with same mods. Am i missing something or do i need to go somewhere else? HE also told me that there is a flatspot about 8k rpm's and he has tried everthing and cant get it out! What does this mean, I never felt a flat spot before at 8k rpm! I was hoping at least 180hp, but most of the bikes that have dynoed there make lower than expected. Is it just the kind of dyno used or what! I have a buddy with a 07 gsxr 1000 that made 158.4 with just a midpipe and thats it, but the same bike according to the internet makes around high 160's! Thanks in advance!
  
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Wheelie
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posted July 10, 2007 06:10 PM
jd, im not doggin your pipe but the Muzzle doesnt make as much power as the others. Hindle, Ti-Force, Leo, Yosh, also some hp numbers may be std not sae.. wee
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jdzx14
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posted July 10, 2007 06:18 PM
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jd, im not doggin your pipe but the Muzzle doesnt make as much power as the others. Hindle, Ti-Force, Leo, Yosh, also some hp numbers may be std not sae.. wee
Wheelie I have heard that and seen it on Brock's website according to his dyno sheets, but i just dont see that kinda of difference with an exhaust, but I could be wrong.
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BlackMagic14
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posted July 10, 2007 06:19 PM
How much power did it make stock... A dyno is a tool that should be used for comparison reasons only the numbers themselves mean nothing my bike has dynoed as low as 152 with my full exhaust and has dynoed as high as 189 every dyno is different and the settings can make huge differences I wouldnt worry about it. If you just want happy numbers find a ship that has a Dynojet 250i and tell the operator you want happy numbers. he can make it read pretty much whatever he wants
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smokinzx14
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posted July 10, 2007 06:20 PM
93 octane is going to make less HP , use 89 ...... Don't sweat the dyno numbers , get the bike back and ride it ....If you are unhappy with the way it runs then fine a better tuner....
May i ask why you didn't get a Muzzy map for your pipe to start off with ?? Smokin..
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posted July 10, 2007 06:22 PM
what ive seen in the Dallas area is 173-176hp sae. I wouldnt let the tuner reem your bike all night for 1-2 more hp. if your happy with the Muzzle 170 aint bad. It might dyno 174 on a different dyno. wee
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posted July 10, 2007 06:23 PM
 Edited By: smokinzx14 on 10 Jul 2007 19:24
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jd, im not doggin your pipe but the Muzzle doesnt make as much power as the others. Hindle, Ti-Force, Leo, Yosh, also some hp numbers may be std not sae.. wee
Wheelie I have heard that and seen it on Brock's website according to his dyno sheets, but i just dont see that kinda of difference with an exhaust, but I could be wrong.
Muzzy makes a good pipe and at a good price ...But put a Brocks or TI Force next to the muzzy and you will see the difference for yourself...
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jdzx14
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posted July 10, 2007 06:25 PM
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93 octane is going to make less HP , use 89 ...... Don't sweat the dyno numbers , get the bike back and ride it ....If you are unhappy with the way it runs then fine a better tuner....
May i ask why you didn't get a Muzzy map for your pipe to start off with ?? Smokin..
I am sorry i forgot to mention that, I did install a Muzzy map when I got it and it had a terible bog under 4krpm so I added fuel between 3000-4500k rpm and it fixed it but I still wanted to make sure the A/F was safe so I got it tuned. It made 166.4 with zero map and 168.6 with the muzzy map slightly modified of course. 3hp is a gain but not much. I guess as long as the A/F is correct thats all that matters. I have thought about 89 octane but I didn't want to chance detonation espically in this humidity.
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smokinzx14
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posted July 10, 2007 06:31 PM
Edited By: smokinzx14 on 10 Jul 2007 19:32
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93 octane is going to make less HP , use 89 ...... Don't sweat the dyno numbers , get the bike back and ride it ....If you are unhappy with the way it runs then fine a better tuner....
May i ask why you didn't get a Muzzy map for your pipe to start off with ?? Smokin..
I am sorry i forgot to mention that, I did install a Muzzy map when I got it and it had a terible bog under 4krpm so I added fuel between 3000-4500k rpm and it fixed it but I still wanted to make sure the A/F was safe so I got it tuned. It made 166.4 with zero map and 168.6 with the muzzy map slightly modified of course. 3hp is a gain but not much. I guess as long as the A/F is correct thats all that matters. I have thought about 89 octane but I didn't want to chance detonation espically in this humidity.
It can be anymore humid in AL than FL ..lol we all use 89 here with no problems ...Give it a try i think you will like it ...Smokin .....OH p/s dynos don't take ram air into the numbers , most good tunners know this and add extra fuel up top for ram air ...This kind of tune will read low on the dyno....But will run the best out in the real world ...Smokin
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jdzx14
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posted July 10, 2007 06:39 PM
Thanks guys for all the advice, I will try 89 octane next time I fill up. And I might have a Muzzy system for sale......lol! P.S. I think it is just the dyno mostly, another buddy of mine dynoed his gsxr 750 (yes i ride with alot of suzuki's, only 4 14's in my area and the rest are busa's) at two different places and got and one of them is were my bike is right now., and he got a 10-12hp difference between the dynoes.
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BlackMagic14
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posted July 10, 2007 06:49 PM
Dude I am not tryin to knock muzzy pipes they are great pipes at a great price and I have noi knowledge of the new M-10 but the regular oval style muzzy on my bike same dyno same day made about 8 HP LESS then the SMEG i would think that the M-10 pipe would be pretty close to the SMEG BUT i DONT KNOW
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jdzx14
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posted July 10, 2007 07:01 PM
Thats what i have been hearing. It sucks.
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posted July 11, 2007 06:44 AM
Edited By: flyboy on 11 Jul 2007 07:46
Humidity will affect the power output of an engine just like density altitude. If you dyno your engine with snow on the ground you'll see quite a difference. Regarding Brock, he had his airfilter removed which will also improve numbers.
Dyno machines are much like women. They are all different and swear you won't find any better around--
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serius blk
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posted July 11, 2007 06:49 AM
i have the same mods as you. made 176hp in galveston. Cant get any worse humidity. Im only 25ft above sea level. Those numbers you have are really world numbers. I bet that new busa wont do much better if any.
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jdzx14
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posted July 11, 2007 08:26 AM
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i have the same mods as you. made 176hp in galveston. Cant get any worse humidity. Im only 25ft above sea level. Those numbers you have are really world numbers. I bet that new busa wont do much better if any.
Thanks that eases my mind, but i think it comes down to the dyno machine. So one day I am proly gonna take it somewere else just to see.
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gms118
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posted July 11, 2007 08:30 AM
you also got to remember , that when Brock and Muzzy tune a bike they are using MR9 race fuel, not 93 pump gas. And thats a 3-4 hp gain.
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posted July 11, 2007 09:44 AM
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you also got to remember , that when Brock and Muzzy tune a bike they are using MR9 race fuel, not 93 pump gas. And thats a 3-4 hp gain.
on some of the runs... sometimes with 0 weight oil, non oring chain, ceramic bearings etc.
Tire pressure can make a difference too...
some of their dyno's were with pump fuel.... check the specs.
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posted July 11, 2007 10:12 AM
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you also got to remember , that when Brock and Muzzy tune a bike they are using MR9 race fuel, not 93 pump gas. And thats a 3-4 hp gain.
on some of the runs... sometimes with 0 weight oil, non oring chain, ceramic bearings etc.
Tire pressure can make a difference too...
some of their dyno's were with pump fuel.... check the specs.
Like dubious is saying....there are far too many variables. Mine with Slipons made 171 rwhp SAE. Lucky for me, that same day at least 7 or 8 Busas dyno'd on the same dyno. The best Busa made 158 rwhp!!
The real key would be to drive to Brock's with your street fuel and airfilter and ask for 190 rwhp SAE!!
I am just saying that because too many people look at the final peak HP number. It would be nice to graph up my graph with a SMEG the same day to compare power under the curve. Power were you ride, not the peak power were drag racers race....(not a bash against Brock, he's proven to be fast and has a quality product!)
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posted July 11, 2007 11:30 AM
Man, I wish I would have did my homework before buying a pipe. I thought I couldn't go wrong with a Muzzy pipe. Anybody need a full Muzzy with Carbon cannister?
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smokinzx14
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posted July 11, 2007 11:40 AM
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Man, I wish I would have did my homework before buying a pipe. I thought I couldn't go wrong with a Muzzy pipe. Anybody need a full Muzzy with Carbon cannister?
Don't sweat it ..Keep your Muzzy pipe It's a great street pipe ... If you plan on making it a drag bike and you have to have a few extra ponys go for another pipe ....If you are just street riding and playing with friends you will not tell or see the difference...Smokin...
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dutchzx14
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posted July 11, 2007 12:17 PM
Jd, the same here... had my bike on the dyno also, and was really disapointed also... 173 hp rear wheel..... now two weeks later and 3500 euro lighter, am having 199.4 on the rear wheel... so upgrading helps...
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jdzx14
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posted July 11, 2007 01:15 PM
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Jd, the same here... had my bike on the dyno also, and was really disapointed also... 173 hp rear wheel..... now two weeks later and 3500 euro lighter, am having 199.4 on the rear wheel... so upgrading helps...
Wow what are your mods? I did finally get a final number today and brought it home. The final # was 172.8 hp and 102.9lbs of torque. I am impressed though, even though the hp #'s weren't what i was hoping for the bike is so much smoother through out the rpm's and more responsive. Hell it only cost me $100.00 and he spent all night and a little this morning on it.
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posted July 11, 2007 01:51 PM
MY ZX CAME IN AT 172 RWP WITH A TWO BROTHERS - 2 PIPE SYSTEM (YEA A LITTLE PLAY ON WORDS) AND 102 LBS TORQUE ON A DYNO JET WINPEP 7 PERFORMED TWO WEEKS AGO IN SARASOTA BY THE DYNOWORKS. NO FLAT SPOTS WHAT SO EVER.
HE DID A COUPLE OTHER ONES SET UP CLOSE TO MINE AND WITH SINGLE PIPE AND SAID ITS THE SAME WITH THE MODS I HAVE. THE RAM AIR WILL ADD SOMETHING I'M SURE. RIDE SAFE EVERYONE
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posted July 11, 2007 05:16 PM
Stop yelling.:P
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posted July 11, 2007 07:06 PM
he is talking about all caps, special ed, caps imply emphasis
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