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posted June 30, 2007 09:25 PM
b03818 <--brand worshipper
I ride both the busa and ZX14, and the old 'busa.... well I'll be nice.
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posted June 30, 2007 09:28 PM
b03818 <--troll laying some bait around
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smokinzx14
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posted June 30, 2007 09:28 PM
 Edited By: smokinzx14 on 30 Jun 2007 22:35
This is what busas see when they race me ...One busa on spray and one with a 1397 motor , both killed ......Dead ... done ... over and out ...
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posted June 30, 2007 09:31 PM
Edited By: AllStingNoBling on 30 Jun 2007 22:34
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Anybody spending 12 grand to buy one bike over another just because of 1 hp and/or 1 ft-lb is seriously screwed up. There's more to it than that. What about handling/braking, do you want to ride the damned thing for more than half an hour? Do you even like the way it looks? With bikes like these, arguing over 12 stupid cubic centimeters is weak.
So true HP will be close it will come down to personal options . Does the new Busa only have a 4 gal gas tank the 6 is a + for me.
See, that's what the hell I'm talking about! Besides one or two HP, what else do these bike bring to the table when it comes to negotiating which brand get my money.
To answer your question: from the 2008 Hayabusa spec sheet: 5.5 gallon fuel tank. I believe that is 0.3 gallons less than the 14. So unless the Hayabusa has significantly better fuel economy, the 14 gets the nod in range. Personally, as long as the bike has at least 5 gallons, I'm good. So, I'm good 
My current bike has a 3.7 gallon tank (well, frame, actually), and filling up every 120 miles or so is beginning to be a bitch. 
smokinzx14: Those vids. are fuggin' badass! Those dudes on the other lane = 
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b03818
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posted June 30, 2007 09:54 PM
Troll! Ok I admit it made me laugh. Hey I noticed the Suzuki site had the 08 Busa on their media site for a few hours or so and then took it off. I noticed they did'nt mention the radial brakes either. I wonder if it has that pair valve system on it like the old one.
Oh yeah the vids were good for the 14 but it does'nt always end up like that. I got a call from a buddy from back home (NC) last week and he was asking me about the drain plug situation on the 14s. He and his friend who just bought a LE 14 was running against a 07 gixxer 1000 heads up and lost! But besides the point he lost the oil drain plug when he hit brakes. He said another 14 in the area had the same thing happen. Asked me a busa owner what they should do! The only thing that has been done is lowering strap and 3-9 swingarm. I just thought I ask the pros here with the 14s if they had the same prob. and what they did to correct it? Since they are buzzing the Busa zone.
You know what my advice would be! But I'll be nice.
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posted June 30, 2007 09:55 PM
Dude...those busas in the other lane were hauling too, but smokin annihilated them.
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b03818
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posted June 30, 2007 09:56 PM
Troll! Ok I admit it made me laugh. Hey I noticed the Suzuki site had the 08 Busa on their media site for a few hours or so and then took it off. I noticed they did'nt mention the radial brakes either. I wonder if it has that pair valve system on it like the old one.
Oh yeah the vids were good for the 14 but it does'nt always end up like that. I got a call from a buddy from back home (NC) last week and he was asking me about the drain plug situation on the 14s. He and his friend who just bought a LE 14 was running against a 07 gixxer 1000 heads up and lost! But besides the point he lost the oil drain plug when he hit brakes. He said another 14 in the area had the same thing happen. Asked me a busa owner what they should do! The only thing that has been done is lowering strap and 3-9 swingarm. I just thought I ask the pros here with the 14s if they had the same prob. and what they did to correct it? Since they are buzzing the Busa zone.
You know what my advice would be! But I'll be nice.
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posted June 30, 2007 10:08 PM
Troll! Ok I admit it made me laugh. Hey I noticed the Suzuki site had the 08 Busa on their media site for a few hours or so and then took it off. I noticed they did'nt mention the radial brakes either. I wonder if it has that pair valve system on it like the old one.
Oh yeah the vids were good for the 14 but it does'nt always end up like that. I got a call from a buddy from back home (NC) last week and he was asking me about the drain plug situation on the 14s. He and his friend who just bought a LE 14 was running against a 07 gixxer 1000 heads up and lost! But besides the point he lost the oil drain plug when he hit brakes. He said another 14 in the area had the same thing happen. Asked me a busa owner what they should do! The only thing that has been done is lowering strap and 3-9 swingarm. I just thought I ask the pros here with the 14s if they had the same prob. and what they did to correct it? Since they are buzzing the Busa zone.
You know what my advice would be! But I'll be nice.
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posted June 30, 2007 10:09 PM
How do you hit the drain plug by hitting the brakes ...I have never heard that one before ...The ones i know that have busted the drain plug off did it were in a 12 wheely and chopped the throttle and slammed the bike down hard ..I have never hit mine but i know how to ride a wheely out and not slam it down ..I Guess some don't know how ... But i bet the learned real fast after the first time ..Smokin ...
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posted June 30, 2007 10:09 PM
Try this vid on for size.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/580d3797-ab54-46d2-bd9f-be9ee76c5af9.htm
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posted June 30, 2007 10:14 PM
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Try this vid on for size.
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/580d3797-ab54-46d2-bd9f-be9ee76c5af9.htm
Old old video ... the zx14 won the first two races and then he let the Busa use he N20 ....That story has been told over and over by the riders .....ZX14 wins on motor and the busa barely pulls off a win on spray .... Try again...Smokin ...
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b03818
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posted June 30, 2007 11:42 PM
Check this one out. 14 lost to Gixxer 750. Oh behave!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gusfk-DpakY
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posted July 01, 2007 01:02 AM
Wow a 14 losing to a 750. Put sombody like My lil sister on my 14 and me on the 750 and I'll win too! What are you trying to prove by that statement? And I am taking nothing from the busa. It's a strong bike But I was just asking? In my opinion, the 14 is King right now!
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posted July 01, 2007 02:59 AM
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Troll! Ok I admit it made me laugh. Hey I noticed the Suzuki site had the 08 Busa on their media site for a few hours or so and then took it off. I noticed they did'nt mention the radial brakes either. I wonder if it has that pair valve system on it like the old one.
Oh yeah the vids were good for the 14 but it does'nt always end up like that. I got a call from a buddy from back home (NC) last week and he was asking me about the drain plug situation on the 14s. He and his friend who just bought a LE 14 was running against a 07 gixxer 1000 heads up and lost! But besides the point he lost the oil drain plug when he hit brakes. He said another 14 in the area had the same thing happen. Asked me a busa owner what they should do! The only thing that has been done is lowering strap and 3-9 swingarm. I just thought I ask the pros here with the 14s if they had the same prob. and what they did to correct it? Since they are buzzing the Busa zone.
You know what my advice would be! But I'll be nice.
Your anecdotal information is very relevant because my truck can outrun about any 600 from a dig and 750/1000's from a low-speed punch to 85 MPH. There are simply too many factors at play during a race to consider an valid outcome, especially for bench racers like you.
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posted July 01, 2007 04:30 AM
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Check this one out. 14 lost to Gixxer 750. Oh behave!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gusfk-DpakY
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b03818
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posted July 01, 2007 12:11 PM
So you like that one huh.
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posted July 01, 2007 03:56 PM
I think you guys will like this...
http://www.bikeland.org/board/viewthread.php?FID=27&TID=32651&set_time=
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b03818
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posted July 01, 2007 05:44 PM
Your anecdotal information is very relevant because my truck can outrun about any 600 from a dig and 750/1000's from a low-speed punch to 85 MPH. There are simply too many factors at play during a race to consider an valid outcome, especially for bench racers like you.
Bench racer! You don't know who I am or what I do. I have had my share of races and have some left. Your crappy truck is no threat here.
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posted July 02, 2007 12:36 AM
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This is what busas see when they race me ...One busa on spray and one with a 1397 motor , both killed ......Dead ... done ... over and out ...
And what are you trying to tell here??That ur 2006 Zx14 is faster then a 99 busa !!LoL
It was about time after 7 years off ass spanking from the busa to the zx12 .
You better enjoy ur victories against the old busa.
When the new busa hits the streets it will be over for the zx14 boys here in the Busa Zone!
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posted July 02, 2007 12:39 AM
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The liter bikes hae been beating the Busa since at least 04 so why wouldnt the 14 do the job?
And which litre bike is owning everything since it came out??
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posted July 02, 2007 02:43 PM
10R's and Gixxers do it all the time -- only an uneducated dick would think the ZX14 will get it's ass handed to it by the 08 Busa. 
Say bye, troll.
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posted July 02, 2007 03:47 PM
Thanks FBA, couldn't have said it better myself.
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posted July 02, 2007 05:33 PM
Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 2 Jul 2007 18:34
IMO, the reason the front end only had minor updating, was because it's need to be instantly recognizable in the ZX14's mirrors...
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posted July 03, 2007 07:42 PM
Edited By: RyuNinja14 on 3 Jul 2007 20:44
Nobody can slam or say the new busa won't uncrown the 14 until we see what it can really do. All we got are pics and specs. That's not hp/tq or performance times/mph. Some are saying suzuki didn't do shit to the new busa. Well why? The engine and chassis is proven both stock and modified. All they did is improve and update on a proven package. The 14 still uses a frame design similar to that of the 12 but is all around a new bike that, and you can't deny this, is inspired heavily by the hayabusa. Which is why the 14 is no doubt a amazing machine and the One to beat now. We'll have to see what suzuki has done.
One thing for sure is only half the story is going to be told with what the busa does to the 14 in stock form. The REAL story is what happens when restrictions are removed and better exhaust, FI map work is done. The 14 has a great head and cams from the word go which is why it gets amazing power gains after junking the stock pipes, flies and replacing it with good aftermarket exhaust/map. The busa may have a stock exhaust heavier then that of the 14 because of the goofy new emissions crap. However even after equiping a better exhaust, map, the big question will be what cam the busa has in it now which will factor in power gains compared to a piped/mapped 14. Brock will most likely get his paws on a busa so time will tell.
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