serius blk
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posted October 04, 2007 07:05 AM
congrats fury. You found a way when everone was saying to just take out the flies. I definitly would be interested in now how to do it. Good job.
  
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serius blk
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posted October 04, 2007 07:08 AM
congrats fury. You found a way when everone was saying to just take out the flies. I definitly would be interested in now how to do it. Good job. Besides i thought with the flies in made it easier at the drag strip to launch.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted October 04, 2007 10:25 AM
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Damn, I take it back.
This guy's a numbskull.
He's talking about resistors on air temp sensors, it's such child's play.
You're joking right? Because if you're not, you're the numbskull, not Fury...or maybe you came up with a better solution? If you have, then I'm sure we'd ALL like to hear it --
Fury, whatever it is that you came up with, we'd like to hear more once you've got the Dyno results -- don't listen to the armchair-know-it-all's...just c'mon over and post up what you know dude!
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Sticks_n_Stones
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posted October 04, 2007 10:46 AM
all I got to say to those guys dogging Fury is this: Just hope he dont come after your Ladies with that much persistence. Cuzz they wont be yours for long lol. Or he'll be arrested for stalking 
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fastestbusaaround
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posted October 04, 2007 10:48 AM
LOL 
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jw
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posted October 04, 2007 12:35 PM
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You're joking right? Because if you're not, you're the numbskull, not Fury...or maybe you came up with a better solution? If you have, then I'm sure we'd ALL like to hear it --
Fury, whatever it is that you came up with, we'd like to hear more once you've got the Dyno results -- don't listen to the armchair-know-it-all's...just c'mon over and post up what you know dude!
Not joking 'busa.
What's with all the mystery, Fury?
This thread's about 5 months old and not a single hint as how you are managing the fueling issues.
Time to....
PUT UP OR SHUT UP, FURY.
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roadrat68
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posted October 04, 2007 04:15 PM
Congrats FURY i truly am impressed with you persitance. i just bought a left over zx14 06 and im new to these boards and i got to reading this thread and i just couldent stop till i reached the end. and unfortunatly this isnt the end because its like a movie that you know is going to have a sequal and you cant wait to see it.. I cant wait to see your results.
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fury
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posted October 04, 2007 04:24 PM
All the leg work was done a while ago.
I waited till the end of the season to tear the bike down.
I was a little disapointed today due to the fact it was sunny and I had the bike torn down again.
Adjusting the fly's is pretty cool. Watching them open and close.
By the way they open and close on the fly. You do not need to shut the bike down to adjust the fly's as someone stated a while ago.
Pretty dam cool...
I am really looking forward to the dyno... Keep in mind I am up north, I have to drive down south to dyno the bike. Due to the fact it is switchable I can still ride the bike even though I havent dyno'd it as of yet... I just dont ride with the fly's open. I want no damage...
In case you cannot tell I am very pleased so far.
Sorry it has taken so long.
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posted October 04, 2007 05:38 PM
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if you open the flies you will need to add fuel when that happens to avoid leanness. its not magic.
I think the ECU will see the flies open and add fuel because they are open, based on the TPS (secondary flie tps) it will add fuel accordingly.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted October 04, 2007 06:27 PM
Uhhh no; it's been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt, here on this site many,many times, that that's clearly not the case. The maps on the ZX14 are static, seeing as the system is not a closed loop FI. Fuel does not get added as a result of the flies being opened, unless programed to do so, which would only happen according to the throttle or INPUT sensors, like the atmospheric pressure sensor and even that has it's limitations. On an open loop FI system, there's no feedback from the exhaust to determine the whether the engine is running lean or rich. Fury stated that he used a resistor on the intake to boost fuel input...because he also knew that the engine couldn't add fuel on it's own. We wouldn't need a PC3 to add fuel if this wasn't the case.
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posted October 08, 2007 02:44 PM
Gentleman...
With full controll over the butterfly's I installed 2 potentiometers. 1 was placed inline with the air temp sensor and the other air pressure switch. These units allowed adjustments to the system alot easier than soldering resisters. This would allow teaking the fuel system. There is no pressure regular that would allow an increase in fuel pressure. If I could put in a larger fuel pump to increase fuel pressure this would push more fuel into the cylinders with the exhisting system. Injectors open and more fule would be pushed out due to and increase in pressure. I could see no way to increase the existing system that would prevent detonation and destroy my bike. So with the above understood I dyno'd the unit and failed.
Cut and dry.
I was sure I had it. My oxygen sensor did not report back in detail what the Dyno did.
I was lean with the fly's fully open.
I know most of you are happy with my failure. We came up with a solution. A programable nos system. This would allow me to run the system stock and the system with the fly's open. This is the only I could do what I want. Have full ctrl over the fly's and still have a very streetable bike for the wife on the back. With this system I could turn it on and off. Unlike a pcIII system.
Needless to say, that is not in the cards. $$ is a factor. I already owned a fuel system pcIII usb.
You will note I have removed my fly's and installed the pc III...
Pretty dam cool.
I burnt off a tire this summer... 4000kmh...
2 tires next summer...
I do apologize to everyone for this failure.
I know it would work. Now so do you. If you have the money and time go fourth and make it happen.
But be be honest, the gaines are not worth the effort. Just remove the fly's, put in the pcIII.
I know a few people told me just to do this from the beginning.
They were right in 1 way and not in another. I was told it could not be done and it was 2 much effort.
I put very little effort into this and a few dollars in parts. Mind u the dyno was costly.. hehehe
But over all a science experiment. A worth while 1.
Till next time cheers!
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fastestbusaaround
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posted October 08, 2007 02:47 PM
You tried and I for one, applaud you for your efforts.
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ZXLNT
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posted October 08, 2007 02:48 PM
Fury I for one am NOT happy you didn't the get the results your were looking for. I think myself and most other people were just trying to save you all the work and effort on doing something that we allready new would be very difficult to do correctly.
No need to apoligize you dont owe any one a god damn thing...
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posted October 08, 2007 03:27 PM
You did better than the people who were thinking of getting a motor to operate the flies - and you went down the correct road, as it allready must have a motor - and AFAIK, you are the only one who has managed to get the flies to open and close 'by your command'.
Unfortunately, i couldn't see how you were going to get around the fuel / air issues without fiddling with the mapping.
But you certainly persisted and you did one thing that people nowadays don't do - you looked outside the box, And without people looking and acting outside the box, there would be no inovation.
But the other side of the coin is - K.I.S.S
So congrats for what you achieved, no one else managed to get it that far.
BTW, there is an interesting post in the Hayabusa section by Ridgeracer [Wanted Broken ECU's], he seems to have found how to edit the mapping of his ECU on his computer and see the mapping for each gear. Not sure if that's ultimately what you would have to do though.
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fury
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posted October 08, 2007 04:24 PM
cheers!
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posted October 08, 2007 04:30 PM
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Gentleman...
I know most of you are happy with my failure. We came up with a solution. A programable nos system. This would allow me to run the system stock and the system with the fly's open. This is the only I could do what I want. Have full ctrl over the fly's and still have a very streetable bike for the wife on the back.
I can't see how anyone except dynojet is happy with your failure...
there still maybe some hope, and I think over time someone will make progress with this.
I will also be working on it after the race season.
Roy
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posted October 08, 2007 05:17 PM
I have to say, good job anyway Fury. Kept us in suspense for a while. I was hoping for complete success and was holding off on PCIII acquisition. Now I have to get them pesky flies out and order one. 
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fury
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posted October 08, 2007 06:43 PM
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quote:
Gentleman...
I know most of you are happy with my failure. We came up with a solution. A programable nos system. This would allow me to run the system stock and the system with the fly's open. This is the only I could do what I want. Have full ctrl over the fly's and still have a very streetable bike for the wife on the back.
I can't see how anyone except dynojet is happy with your failure...
there still maybe some hope, and I think over time someone will make progress with this.
I will also be working on it after the race season.
Roy
Sounds great!
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bigdtd
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posted October 09, 2007 08:53 AM
ahem....
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