fury
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posted July 30, 2007 10:05 AM
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fury have you tried the relays on the hub to change the fuel curve. With brock pipes he gives you maps for flies and without. The hub could hold both maps. The relay in the hub could move the flies with what you have. Its an idea.
Another twist... I wasnt thinking along that line.
Options though.
THis is what I am doing to operate the fly's now.
A simple switch. not on/off but stock and modified. Always supplying voltage to the fly's.
Stock operates as stock hence the wording.
Modified has a relay that opens the flys constantly.
Now 4 the fuel requirements.
I have not finished this. 2 complex to do it how I thought initially.
So I opted to use the fuel computer. Again via a switch. on/off.
off stock fuel maps.
on modified fuel maps.
THe fuel computer is by passed when the switch is in the off position.
The unit is in turn on when the switch is thrown in the on position.
As far as modifying fuel with out the fuel computer. Yes it can be done.
But I am lacking 1 tool now. Dyno.
No Dyno no go.
Sorry for the let down.
I know I can do it.
Your ideas are inspiring.
I have ordered more parts needed to complete the job.
  
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posted July 30, 2007 10:14 AM
 Edited By: ZX11D on 30 Jul 2007 11:15
Wow. This is going somewhere Fury. 
A question: What do you use for implementing of the modified fuel map when in the flies are in open mode. Do you switch to PCIII unit, as you refered to as "the fuel computer"? Or do you have a way to load second map to the stock CPU ?
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serius blk
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posted July 30, 2007 10:44 AM
i still think the pc hub would be a good move with what he has. Because it will operate normally with the flies closed. It would just have a pc to optimize the fuel curve. Fury also said the modified mode has a relay that kicks in once the switch is turned on. The hub would operate that relay when the correct map is fliped in to play. The hub relay will act as the on and off switch according to the map. Fury your close. Keep on going.
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jw
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posted July 30, 2007 11:25 AM
Edited By: jw on 30 Jul 2007 12:29
I don't mean to be discouraging BUT...
Going from stock to flies open is easy (conceptually). Open flies, switch map.
BUT...
There is NO WAY you are going to be able to go from FLIES OPEN to stock again with the engine running. The computer "counts" the steps the stepper motor opens and closes. Returning it to stock position is impossible without some serious microprocessing. If you return the stepper motor back to the stock ecu control, it WON'T return to the stock position. It'll stay exactly where you left it. That's how stepper motors work.
I have the feeling you already know this or will be learning this very soon.
It's just the facts of the bike. You can't go from flies open back to stock while riding.
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serius blk
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posted July 30, 2007 11:50 AM
He would be getting an error message when the flies are open. I dont know for sure but i think he has crossed that hurdle.
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posted July 31, 2007 10:54 AM
you can change maps with the engine running using the djet lcd or hub. i do it all the time with the lcd. he can flip the switch to open the flies then flip the switch to change the map(to flies in/flies out) if he keeps going in this direction
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fury
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posted October 02, 2007 06:03 PM
I am booking dyno time...
I will keep you updated.
Simple and cheap to do.
I will pass on more info after dyno runs...
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posted October 02, 2007 07:27 PM
 
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bigdtd
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posted October 03, 2007 10:21 AM
too late they fixed the fly thing for 08
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posted October 03, 2007 11:56 AM
just pull the damn flies and be done with it....
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fury
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posted October 03, 2007 01:31 PM
na... I own an 07... Its done and it works great.
I am dynoing the unit soon. - I wont need the fuel system either, at least that is what I am trying to proove to myself.
Runs like a beast. As soon as I throw the switch it rocks!
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fury
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posted October 03, 2007 01:34 PM
being I was told I couldnt do it and I did.. makes my bloody day.
It cost only a few bucks also... I mean under $50.00
I didnt even cut my harness. It slips in and out.
Really user friendly.
No I will not sell it.
And once the dyno tests are done and it does truly work safely I will share what I have put together.
Cheers!
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fastestbusaaround
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posted October 03, 2007 01:48 PM
I'm not sure how you would have gotten around the fuel issue...?
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posted October 03, 2007 03:37 PM
So will the Dyno tests (besides the power), show the fuel stats as in richer and leaner?
Hey Fury,
I know a lot of people didn't think you'd do it. Most just said (quite rightly so), just remove the flies. But you certainly persisted with it and from what you are saying now, you have done it.
But i can't work out why you won't sell or at least pass on how you did it.
I think you will be making a lot of new friends soon 
Well kudos to you, especially if the Dyno results back up your work.
Cheers,
Alan.
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fury
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posted October 03, 2007 03:51 PM
No need to sell it.
I will give it freely.
No issues.
I just need the dyno time.
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gs1327
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posted October 03, 2007 04:52 PM
I'm looking forward to hearing about this, sounds like the best of both worlds.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted October 03, 2007 05:28 PM
What's the "other world" you're referring too?
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posted October 03, 2007 06:00 PM
its like the map switch on the gxsr 1000, you are never going to use it in low power mode, ever. the thing is anemic down low with the flies closed, and once you have ridden it properly tuned with the flies out, you would never ever ride it any other way. if you open the flies you will need to add fuel when that happens to avoid leanness. its not magic.
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fury
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posted October 03, 2007 06:16 PM
what if I told u my oxygen sensor is not reading lean...
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jw
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posted October 03, 2007 07:12 PM
Edited By: jw on 3 Oct 2007 20:13
One way is to kick it over to a 6th gear map...
Sort of like a switchable TRE...
If this is what you did, NICE JOB thinking out of the box.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted October 03, 2007 08:25 PM
The TRE tests, posted here a while back, show that there is a horribly lean condition at 3500 WOT...and that's with the 6th gear map, supposedly. I don't think that the TRE actually runs the 6th gear fuel map...it just makes part of the ECU program think the bike's in 6th, not all of the program though, because if it were, the lean condition wouldn't appear with the TRE installed...
I think there's something else that has to happen to invoke the map, not just simply shorting out the GPS wire. Maybe Fury has found that "something", or maybe not. We won't know until he posts his results.
It's possible that the ECU needs to see a certain combination of speed and RPM's to invoke the right map, much like the GPS works -- where it can't figure out which gear it's in when you change the sprockets and install an S/H to fix the speedo error -- just a thought.
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posted October 03, 2007 09:11 PM
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too late they fixed the fly thing for 08
Not completely. From what I understand, there are still some restrictions in place.
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fury
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posted October 04, 2007 02:36 AM
1 thing that was mentioned above. I can ritchen my mixture with a resistor on the air temp sensor. I am not sure how much. But the dyno will show the results as it sits right now.
I am looking forward to this.
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posted October 04, 2007 04:01 AM
Congrats FURY I truly am impressed with you persitance. I just bought a left over zx14 06 and im new to these boards and I got to reading this thread and I just couldent stop till I reached the end. and unfortunatly this isnt the end because its like a movie that you know is going to have a sequal and you cant wait to see it..
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jw
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posted October 04, 2007 06:28 AM
Damn, I take it back.
This guy's a numbskull.
He's talking about resistors on air temp sensors, it's such child's play.
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