cjbrown
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posted May 23, 2007 06:21 PM
stock setup v/s race -what to lose what to gain
I have had my 14 for about a year now. I just recently took it to the dragstrip to run a buddy of mine in an 1/8 with his M109r, but he never made it to the track. It was a good thing, because i found out I couldn't launch the bike worth a crap. I need major practice. It was my first time to ever race a bike, and it showed. It seemed that I just wasn't leaving hard enough. I have been riding for about 2 years now, having an R1 prior to the 14. My question is, what is the best all round setup for the bike. I look at my wish list and I see a race prepped bike. Brock street meg, butterflies removed, Muzzy air shifter, power commander. I think to myself, do I really need all this. I don't want to sacrifice any drivability of the bike. I want to still be able to cruise with the cruisers when I need to. Any help would be appreciated. By the way, I know that the 14 would kill the M109R, The Suzuki salesman told him it would out run a Busa in the 1/8, so naturally he thought it would a 14 also.
  
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Bently
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posted May 23, 2007 06:45 PM
First of all the 109 will not come close to out running a busa or for that matter a 600 in the 1/8. that salesman needs a new job. and everthing you mention for your 14 the Smeg, pwr commander, air shifter flies removed will make it one hell of a street bike. thats how mine is except instead of air shifter I have the quick shifter.
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cjbrown
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posted May 23, 2007 06:53 PM
Thats what I tried to tell the guy, but he still believed the salesman. How do you compare your bike before the mods to after the mods. What was the biggest difference.
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BlackMagic14
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posted May 23, 2007 07:04 PM
All the mods you mentioned will have no negative affects on streetability, the pipe and pc and flies will give you A LOT more power which is always a good thing. And as far as the airshifter goes well you only use that when you choose to so it wont make a difference. The only thing that you could bolt on that would have a slight negative affect on streetability is bolt on swing arm extensions and I have them on mine and I ride it everyday just not near as good on the twisties as it was before. I would also recommend some lowering links for the rear and a front end strap kit to lower the front when you race, also you could slide the front forks down about an inch in the trees that will help on launching but will also have some effect on the handling but not a lot...
As far as the 109 beating you in the 1/8th if you completely suck and he is a good rider it could happen... I have seen a guy on a 109 around here BEAT A LOT OF 600's in the 1/8th and I mean a lot of 600's
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nightmare
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posted May 23, 2007 07:08 PM
all of the above mentioned would be a major improvement in itself but if you would like to leave a lot harder, you might want to look into a set of lowering links as well as a strap for the front end. As a matter of fact, Just removing the flies, lowering the bike and strapping it would improve your track performance all day long. Now comes the p/c and the pipe. give it a little more arm and hold on to your britches. You have a bike with 5.90 potential all day long with a mistake or two. non of the above mentioned will hurt you cruising ability. My bike has everything plus a little more including nitrous and I have rode with several people on long trips. The only thing that may hurt the street ability is if I put the sidewinder on it but I have the smeg for now!
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1badzx12r
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posted May 23, 2007 07:18 PM
quote:
First of all the 109 will not come close to out running a busa or for that matter a 600 in the 1/8. that salesman needs a new job. and everthing you mention for your 14 the Smeg, pwr commander, air shifter flies removed will make it one hell of a street bike. thats how mine is except instead of air shifter I have the quick shifter.
he needs to learn how to ride what he's got 1st before moding anything
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dubious
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posted May 23, 2007 07:46 PM
I disagree somwhat.
If he has good self and throttle control flies out is better.
IMO The 14 is alot easier to launch fast with flies out.
When it was stock I would slip the clutch to keep it above 6000 rpm, and right around 7500 the wallop would lift the front skyward hard, so more clutch to keep the frt down, then occaisionally it would bounce the limiter before i caught second.
Even when it was lowered.
Now i just slip the clutch out at 3500-4000 off the line and hit the gas, no clutch abuse, much more progressive power output, Its a beast right off the bat, rather than the silly spike at 7000 rpm, which causes violent wheelies. Now its a progressive wheelie.
Even with several thousand motocross starts and hundreds of holeshots under my belt, I find it alot easier to launch with flies out, and lowered. The pipe was nice bonus too.
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posted May 23, 2007 08:55 PM
 Edited By: stevewfl on 23 May 2007 21:55
a 14 against an M109 cruiser?
LMAO~! You can launch as slow as me and you'll still be sitting at the end of the quarter waiting on him, with your jacket and helmet laying on your bike and your girlfriend pulling up with a cold Dr pepper.
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BlackMagic14
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posted May 23, 2007 10:26 PM
he said 1/8th not quarter lol I could push start my 14 and beat rickey gadson in the 1/4 with him on a 109 but I can tell you guys first hand that 109 aint no joke in the 1/8th mile it has 130 ft/lbs of tq for pete sake not saying that in any realistic situation the 109 could beat the 14 but if you put a GOOD rider on the 109 and a complete chump on the 14 it might be a GOOD RACE
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posted May 23, 2007 10:31 PM
Are you serious! I mean come on now really. Now I have actually seen the 2 bikes go at it. Not talking about my bike but a no shit stock 14. The 14 stalled damn near due to the damn flies and still caught him super quick. Maybe the rider on the 109 didn't have it but I say hands down no contest. I think the only good thing coming from that race is GOOD Humor!
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cjbrown
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posted May 23, 2007 10:34 PM
My bike is lowered 1 inch in the front and the rear links are in the second hole. Dubious just described my few runs at the track. I feel like i'm abusing the hell out of the clutch trying to find that sweet spot in the upper rpm's. 1badzx12r , I do plan on getting some track time in, that is prob the most important of all.
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Bently
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posted May 24, 2007 02:00 AM
the 109 has no where near 130 ft lbs of tq stock. if your watching a 109 beat 600's the kids on the 600's should be on ninja 250's untill they learn how to ride.
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Bently
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posted May 24, 2007 02:08 AM
Okay it's early but you made me go dig up the dyno chart from the 109 we dynoed. it made 108 hp and 97 ft lbs of tq all stock.
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BlackMagic14
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posted May 24, 2007 04:46 PM
I didnt say the guys on the 600's were any good and they have all been completely stock and henry the guy that rides the 109 is damn near a pro he weighs like 140 pounds and turns consistent 1.35-1.39 sixty footers on his ZX12 but on the 109 he beats a lot of 600's
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Bently
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posted May 24, 2007 05:13 PM
I don't doubt he beats 600's hell theres a 14 at my track and he is still in the 11's I I always talk equal riders when I compare bikes.
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bigdtd
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posted May 24, 2007 05:32 PM
rider makes a diff
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