dutchzx14
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posted April 17, 2007 01:30 PM
just removed the butterflies
Hi guys. was really sick of the lack of power in second and third gear overtaking, that I did read almost all of the butterflies removal articals here in this forum, to be sure that it was the good thing to do. finaly the engine can do wat you aspect of it....! I can finaly overtake SAFE !!!!!!!! what a increase of power...!!!!
Thanks guys.....!!!!!
   
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shawnski
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posted April 17, 2007 02:05 PM
 Edited By: shawnski on 17 Apr 2007 15:09
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Hi guys. was really sick of the lack of power in second and third gear overtaking, that I did read almost all of the butterflies removal articals here in this forum, to be sure that it was the good thing to do. finaly the engine can do wat you aspect of it....! I can finaly overtake SAFE !!!!!!!! what a increase of power...!!!!
Thanks guys.....!!!!!
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icetee
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posted April 25, 2007 10:48 AM
what pipe are you running? do you have a P/C?
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blackbullet76
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posted April 25, 2007 02:42 PM
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Brocks s-meg exhaust
PCIII w/track map
BMC race filter
Flies removed
16 tooth front sprocket
Speedohealer
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Heartbreak
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posted April 28, 2007 02:44 PM
I did the same thing. But am not going to run the bike too hard without a p/c and new Brock system. Seemed to have awakened the beast. A buddy of mine says I went out and bought a raging bull. Now I've taken and kicked that raging bull in the nuts! I love it. I would almost put money on the fact that Kawasaki wanted us to remove those stupid things. Especially since the bike naturally runs rich. I think this is the way it was designed to run. Made me love it even more.
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blackbullet76
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posted April 28, 2007 04:19 PM
Edited By: blackbullet76 on 28 Apr 2007 17:20
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Now I've taken and kicked that raging bull in the nuts! I love it.
People just don't know what a beast it is until they ride it. My friends were amazed at the power too.
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2007 ZX-14 black
Brocks s-meg exhaust
PCIII w/track map
BMC race filter
Flies removed
16 tooth front sprocket
Speedohealer
APE cam chain tensioner
Vortex rearsets
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Heartbreak
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posted April 29, 2007 06:53 AM
Anyone have an idea of the long term effects of butterfly removal yet?
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rudebwoy
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posted April 29, 2007 10:40 AM
wondering that too...anybody have any trials and tribulations with warranty issues either.
I'm about to get my break in service done and I figure I'd remove them and remap once that is done.
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bigdtd
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posted April 29, 2007 12:47 PM
i left em in but i don't know for how much longer
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navigator
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posted April 29, 2007 02:08 PM
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Anyone have an idea of the long term effects of butterfly removal yet?
My bike has 16K miles on it and I haven't noticed any negative effects.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted April 29, 2007 04:46 PM
You haven't? Fuck -- I noticed it right away -- damn wrists are always fucking sore from holding on for dear life whenever I twist the throttle -- :d
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Heartbreak
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posted April 29, 2007 07:42 PM
Heh heh heh, Just took the bike out and really ran it since I took the flies out. This bike went from stupid fast to off the scale. You really don't realize how much your missing out on until it's done. The pull is absolutely amazing in the low range now.
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rudebwoy
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posted April 29, 2007 08:06 PM
'couldnt wait 'til my service, I took 'em out today. Was easy as pie, put the new map on and took her for a ride..wheeee
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Ojref
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posted April 29, 2007 08:18 PM
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Anyone have an idea of the long term effects of butterfly removal yet?
Repeated use can cure homosexuality.
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fury
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posted April 30, 2007 02:45 AM
Does anyone know if this can be done safely with out remapping the fuel curve?
I thought I was going to wait till the fall. But this post may have twisted my arm...
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fastestbusaaround
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posted April 30, 2007 04:34 AM
Do a search on that, the majority opinion here is no; you'd need to remap.
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navigator
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posted April 30, 2007 10:38 AM
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You haven't? Fuck -- I noticed it right away -- damn wrists are always fucking sore from holding on for dear life whenever I twist the throttle -- :d
Maybe that has something to do with the 16T & 43T sprockets you put on that thing. I'm getting ready to go that route just to see what it feels like. What percentage is your speedo of due to the gear change?
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fastestbusaaround
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posted April 30, 2007 06:52 PM
Edited By: fastestbusaaround on 30 Apr 2007 20:30
now off by 17-18% according to the GPS Steve, but I won't bother with the S/H to read 1/2/3/3/4/5 and no 6th...I just use the Speedo on my Zumo instead...works great. Top speed in now 167, but that's fine for me.
BTW, once you go there, you won't go back...ask me how I know this. 
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bigdtd
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posted April 30, 2007 07:13 PM
Edited By: bigdtd on 30 Apr 2007 20:16
finally broke down and pulled mine tonight, what a difference and i didn't change the map yet! running brocks track map w flies in. switching maps in the am when i borrow a laptop. going to the maxton map or track map with flies out, what a beast even before mapping, will post after mapping, love the low speed wheelies, it is a real arm straightener.
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fastestbusaaround
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posted April 30, 2007 07:29 PM
Mapping won't change acceleration or speed noticeably, but will make your engine run cooler and last longer...
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phytrax
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posted May 01, 2007 06:38 AM
Edited By: phytrax on 1 May 2007 07:42
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Do a search on that, the majority opinion here is no; you'd need to remap.
A lot of people argue that you go through that lean range too quickly to do any real damage, but when you're crusing I think it would be very wise to keep the rpm out of the lean range, at least over 5,000 rpm. Still, if there's any way you can afford the PC, I'd highly recommend it. It will add 2-3 horsepower if mapped properly with aftermarket exhaust and I think 7-8 hp if your bike is stock.
Anyone looking for the best bang for your buck should get a PC and pull the flies as your very first upgrade. It will do a lot more for a lot less $$$ than an exhaust.
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bigdtd
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posted May 03, 2007 10:26 AM
i beg to differ, after the remap it really picked up. i was using both brocks track maps before and after, 93 octane amoco or sunoco
now running the no secondaries version, it really pulls harder and is smoother through all rpm ranges compared to no map change with secondaries pulled
two thumbs way up, brock your maps are spot on
thanks to smokin for s/w loading tips, start it up connect and load map, that was easy
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dutchzx14
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posted May 03, 2007 11:04 AM
Well, I did do a re map on my pc3 of course. The map was made for flies out, aftermarket air filter, and pc3 of course. But still had a low throttle sesponce. what really helped was that I manually made the low and mid range richer on my commander. it pulles so much harder. mayby because we live below sea level around here. Two leds up in low and mid range...!!!!
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Nelson Taylor
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posted May 03, 2007 11:33 AM
I have over 7xxx miles on my bike. Flies removed with stk exhaust. I do race it quite a bit and do some highway and street riding. I have not had any problems thus far but, I do notice that while riding in the city streets the bike runs hotter than most 14's, which is a result of not having it mapped. I am about ready to put a PC3 on it with flies removed map.
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Heartbreak
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posted May 03, 2007 03:30 PM
Ok, remember just a newbie here. Where do I get maps? And will someone please post a "Mapping the PCIII for Dummies Post"? I am still new to all of this stuff. All of my bike thus far were carburated.
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