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posted April 15, 2007 02:19 PM
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posted April 15, 2007 02:21 PM
Edited By: Flame On on 15 Apr 2007 15:26
Having logic is to call bullshit when you see it
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shiphteey
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posted April 15, 2007 02:33 PM
Flamer,
Were you actually there? NOPE! So how can you know FOR SURE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED?
Simply put YOU CAN NOT! You have your opinion of what happened, but you don't have any FACTS.
If you're gonna call BS you've got to be able to PROVE what YOU are claiming to be correct and PROVE what Mr. Hill is relaying from the rider of that 14 that went down to be incorrect.
Do you have any proof? Nope! Just like Vincent Hill can not PROVE that that is EXACTLY how it happened. But to fault the man for putting up what he feels may be something of interest to the 14 community baffles me. He hasn't insulted YOU or any of the 14 guys in this thread has he? He hasn't "hated on" the zx14 in any way, shape or form!
When you stop and really think about the complexity and the uniqueness of every single accident its actually easy to see that there are just too many variables to accurately say exactly what happened without actually having been there. Inductive logic isn't quite the same as DEDUCTIVE LOGIC.
But you keep on doing what you do best bro: Flame on.
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posted April 15, 2007 02:41 PM
Edited By: Flame On on 15 Apr 2007 15:57
Yep we are all just evaluating from pics and hear say . For all I know he could have jumped the Rio Grande river with that there 14.
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smokinzx14
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posted April 15, 2007 02:46 PM
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Flamer,
Were you actually there? NOPE! So how can you know FOR SURE EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED?
Simply put YOU CAN NOT! You have your opinion of what happened, but you don't have any FACTS.
If you're gonna call BS you've got to be able to PROVE what YOU are claiming to be correct and PROVE what Mr. Hill is relaying from the rider of that 14 that went down to be incorrect.
Do you have any proof? Nope! Just like Vincent Hill can not PROVE that that is EXACTLY how it happened. But to fault the man for putting up what he feels may be something of interest to the 14 community baffles me. He hasn't insulted YOU or any of the 14 guys in this thread has he? He hasn't "hated on" the zx14 in any way, shape or form!
When you stop and really think about the complexity and the uniqueness of every single accident its actually easy to see that there are just too many variables to accurately say exactly what happened without actually having been there. Inductive logic isn't quite the same as DEDUCTIVE LOGIC.
But you keep on doing what you do best bro: Flame on.
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Bull Vince has over and over put down the zx14 and he does it every chance he gets ...Go back and look at the posts ..... Like the one > (kawi missed the mark) ... He is not helping the zx14 owners here by making claims that he can't prove.... Vince and yourself need to back to zx12 site and stop worring about the zx14 ...Damn man we don't come over there and post crap about zx12s ...
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posted April 15, 2007 02:51 PM
Smokin, you still MISSED THE POINT!
If Vincent had NEVER EVER made one negative comment about the 14 would you still be jumping all over him about this post? At worst you guys would have ping-ponged back and forth and thats about it!
The fact that in the past he has voiced why he doesn't like the 14 does NOT somehow take away from the importance of the post!
Who exactly elected YOU to speak for all zx14 owners anways? Sorry but quick quarter mile times doesn't mean you call the shots buddy! IF even ONE 14 owner caught something by checking their bike over then this post was WELL WORTH IT!
Get your head out of your ass already, this isn't about 12 vs 14! Jeez.
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posted April 15, 2007 03:02 PM
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Smokin, you still MISSED THE POINT!
If Vincent had NEVER EVER made one negative comment about the 14 would you still be jumping all over him about this post? At worst you guys would have ping-ponged back and forth and thats about it!
The fact that in the past he has voiced why he doesn't like the 14 does NOT somehow take away from the importance of the post!
Who exactly elected YOU to speak for all zx14 owners anways? Sorry but quick quarter mile times doesn't mean you call the shots buddy! IF even ONE 14 owner caught something by checking their bike over then this post was WELL WORTH IT!
Get your head out of your ass already, this isn't about 12 vs 14! Jeez.
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This post has NO importance at all !!!!! Because there are NO facts !!!!! I have never said or done anything to make this post or any other post about zx14 Vs zx12 ....You better look over my posts from the past before you tell me anything....No body has elected me to anything kiddo just like no one has elected you to a damn thing either ...Just cause you ran 200+ mph doesn't make you a boss either sonny boy... Now get your head out of your ass....
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posted April 15, 2007 03:08 PM
You're right, our speed accomplishments are just that and nothing more!
Again it is your statements like these:
"This post has NO importance at all !!!!!" that are out of line! You are spitting it like its some sort of universal imperative! You should be a little more open-minded enough to realize that SINCE YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER you can't DISMISS IT! You may not "THINK" that there may be a problem but you shouldn't dismiss it until you are absolutely certain that its irrelevant. Am I making sense here?
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posted April 15, 2007 03:38 PM
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You're right, our speed accomplishments are just that and nothing more!
Again it is your statements like these:
"This post has NO importance at all !!!!!" that are out of line! You are spitting it like its some sort of universal imperative! You should be a little more open-minded enough to realize that SINCE YOU DON'T KNOW FOR SURE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER you can't DISMISS IT! You may not "THINK" that there may be a problem but you shouldn't dismiss it until you are absolutely certain that its irrelevant. Am I making sense here?
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I have no problem with that .... And yes it makes sense .... But look at the pictures because they tell the story .... If anybody would have had a problem it would have been me ... I can't tell you how hard i have come down over and over from wheelies ...You would have to see it to believe it !!!! I have seen zx14s land so hard the they have busted the oil pan in half and suffered NO frame damage ...... If wheelies were a problem we would have been reading this weeky on this site..... I will say one in 5000 bikes could have a problem just like any other brand could have a problem ... There are no facts to prove this happened or will ever happen....The bike has been out over a year and if this was a common problem we would already know about it .. Vince has called wolf to many times and dug himself a hole with most zx14 owners ... If someone other than vince had posted this i would have said pretty much the same thing >> The owner wheelied but that didn't cause the damage ... It may have cause the wreck but the sudden stop with a truck caused the damage...
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posted April 15, 2007 03:50 PM
531 views so far and a very short time ...I guess vince got what he wanted .. Putting fear in people that are thinking about buying a zx14 ... Good job vince ...
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posted April 15, 2007 04:05 PM
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Vince Here we go again .... Are you a moron... One look at that bike and anyone with half a brain can see that was a Realy bad high speed crash .. The force to bend the forks was the cause of the broken frame ...NOT some tiny little wheely .... Last time Vince keep you hatin zx14 ass over on the zx12 site and don't bring your crap over here .....
i'm not gonna read any farther than this post..... CAUSE THATS WHAT I SEE ALSO
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posted April 15, 2007 05:42 PM
A wheelie behind a truck?
Couple of things:
1. Why would you do a wheelie behind a moving truck? That just doesn't pass the common sense as too many variables can affect the outcome.
2. Why are the forks bent in the extended position? Looking at the photos I would say the front wheel had to be off the ground at the moment of impact on the forks. I could very well be wrong but it just seems odd.
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posted April 15, 2007 06:10 PM
Well All I know is I'm scared to ride mine now.
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posted April 15, 2007 06:58 PM
well i got tired of reading all the maybe it truth or not post. I just want to know if the dude wants to sell some of his parts off the bike. Since he wont be riding no time soon. Also when the frame split the front end would have fallen to the ground. If he held on the the bars as the front was dragging him. I havent seen one wheel move balanced with a person holding on to the bars. The forks are bent from a straight on hit. Oh well on to the next post.
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posted April 15, 2007 08:51 PM
ZX14 haters.....I love 'em and all their  they bring to the table...keeps the chat interesting....anyone have any salt?
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posted April 16, 2007 02:58 AM
OMG! I am gonna have to sell mine now!
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posted April 16, 2007 10:03 AM
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posted April 16, 2007 10:11 AM
no more wheelies for me! 
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posted April 16, 2007 12:43 PM
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no more wheelies for me!
ya ya ya - we'll be reading about your "broke bike" soon huh 
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posted April 16, 2007 05:04 PM
BrokeBike Mountain?
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posted April 16, 2007 05:11 PM
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posted April 16, 2007 06:01 PM
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BrokeBike Mountain?
NAWH fba... its brokeback ridge... i think he's still a little hump and haven't got to the big show yet
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posted April 16, 2007 06:35 PM
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posted April 16, 2007 06:48 PM
I'm at brigitte's and don't have access to my pics but yup this thread is gheydom. usually the busa crowd has substance at least
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posted April 16, 2007 06:55 PM
usually the busa crowd has substance at least
i hope they don't feed it to you ......
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