VincentHill
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posted April 15, 2007 09:37 AM
At least I would make sure Both ENgine Bolts were in and tight! WIth the engine weight all on the Left Side which did pull away, that for sure could not have helped the Situation??
  
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posted April 15, 2007 10:00 AM
the guy hit a friggin truck, end of story
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posted April 15, 2007 10:08 AM
ok. lets think about the position of your arms when you ride. wrists and forearms down, right? if he says he held on to the front end why doesn't he have any scares on the inside and lower parts of his forearms? all his scares look just like the ones I've gotten from coming off sideways. I won't say he didn't have and accident but i will say he didn't have this one.
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fish_antlers
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posted April 15, 2007 11:10 AM
I'm not sure where people are getting this "hit by a truck" thing...
The story reads that AFTER THE FRONT END BROKE OFF HE SLID INTO A TRUCK
SO.... WITH THAT OUT OF THE WAY, LETS TALK ABOUT WHY THE FRONT END BROKE OFF.
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posted April 15, 2007 11:39 AM
 Edited By: Flame On on 15 Apr 2007 12:55
Cant see sliding damage to bike looks like a major impact blow behind front tire or to front of forks.
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fish_antlers
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posted April 15, 2007 11:50 AM
Again, READ the post that started all of this. The front end snapped off.. THEN he slid into a truck. Why did the front end snap off?
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VincentHill
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posted April 15, 2007 11:54 AM
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Is it still under investigation or has someone detertmined the cause yet?
What is your take on it Vincent, your pretty mechanical, what did you see that we can't by the pics?
Why are the motor mount bolts where the frame sliders go missing?
You guys should be thankful for this guy that he rides a 14 and takes time to really look at the Pictures!
I called the Owner and he had NO Idea the Bolt was missing and while on the phone went out to see the bike and this is the first time he noticed it missing.
I cannot help but believe that this bolt was either missing from Day 1 or for a long time. Second, Landing the "Other" WHeelies and serious Riding with the Weight of the engine always pulling from the weakest side of the frame could not help but to start some cracks? Remember we had this same problem the front top engine bolts being loose or missing on the 12.
Again I would take a look at these 2 bolts and check the torque
Yes the Front After it broke away and he let go Hit a truck! I do not know how big a truck or if it was run over or what! That is all he said "The Front end then hit a truck"!
It would be nice if anyone else found either a front mounting bolt either loose or missing Make a note of it!
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posted April 15, 2007 11:55 AM
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posted April 15, 2007 12:01 PM
is the motor and seat for sale
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VincentHill
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posted April 15, 2007 12:01 PM
Shane You have just ADDED BULL SHIT to what I wrote and what he said! If you cannot read then do not post! No one including him said anything about being behind a Truck ever! Also no one including him believes that ALL of this damage was caused by this 1 wheelie! It is just that is what he was doing when it Happened! Grow UP!
I always pictured the Truck coming from the other direction and with the front doing 30 or 40 MPH and the Truck doing 30 or 40 MPH the Speed at Impact being 60 to 80 MPH! That is a very serious Speed for aluminum to hit Steel!
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posted April 15, 2007 12:05 PM
Well, with all due respect Vincent, you should consider how the story reads. The physical evidence, combined with a lack of detail on the events, does not reconcile with the story, as presented.
The statement that he was wheelying and the front end snapped off and went flying into a truck...well, it certainly sounds like he was behind a vehicle. Or maybe he was just trying to wheelie through a 4-way intersection? Who the hell knows without more detail than you have provided?
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posted April 15, 2007 12:06 PM
Is it the 06 steel frame or the 07 aluminum frame ?
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VincentHill
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posted April 15, 2007 12:10 PM
Adding more words AGAIN! No one ever said that "the Front end Snapped off and went Flying into a truck" either Where to you see all of this? You read with your imagination? The front came off when the bike came down and kept going down and separated then him Holding on and sliding with it until he let go and it hit a truck. I have said that over and Over! Can you get the picture??
This is all bad enough without you ADDING anything that is not true or never happened!
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VincentHill
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posted April 15, 2007 12:13 PM
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Is it the 06 steel frame or the 07 aluminum frame ?
They are all Aluminum Frames! The Steel I refer to is what the Truck it hit is made out of!
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posted April 15, 2007 12:14 PM
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posted April 15, 2007 12:39 PM
Ya I agree Them forks look more like they took a much more of a heavy blow than just the forks sliding into a truck .
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VincentHill
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posted April 15, 2007 01:01 PM
Shane, when Parts Fly off a Motorcycle they usually are not sliding on the Ground.
40 MPH is not Fast but when Hit by something also doing 40 or 50 MPH that is like hitting a Solid Wall at 80 to 90 MPH and that is FAST!
Metal and wheels continue to slide long after Skin and clothing will bring you to a Stop and even you know that! lets us just stick to what is written and deal with that! If I had a Picture of the damage to the Truck, that would have explained a lot but I do not have that.
If the Bike had run into anything, the Break at the Frame would have been Crumpled Back or Pushed back (Usually bent DOWN). If you look at Pictures 6 to 10 you can (Maybe you can) see that the Front Pulled away from the Rest of the bike and the top of the frame was the last part to let go because it is Bent Upward! Alsop look at the Front end Piece! There is NO Compression of the Steering head anywhere! It broke at the Bottom and pulled away from the top! Totally consistant with what he said!
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posted April 15, 2007 01:18 PM
I would think having the forks seperated from the bike and the fork went flying at a very fast speed the forks would kick back around rather than putting fowared thrust on the tube bending them forward.
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shane661
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posted April 15, 2007 01:22 PM
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posted April 15, 2007 01:29 PM
You know what the funny thing about all this is? All Vincent Hill did was post up what he thought would be valuable information for you 14 guys and all many of you do is SLAM HIM for it! So he doesn't really like the 14? So what? I think its an ugly, heavy, over-rated bike that can't shake a 12 on top end! So what?!?!
The point is he presented the information as best as he could given what he was told, what he knows, his past experiences, etc. Get a grip, jeez people. Don't think it went down like that? Cool, you are entitled to your opinion!
But the FACT OF THE MATTER IS NONE OF US WERE THERE TO SEE HOW IT REALLY WENT DOWN! Why shoot the messenger?
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posted April 15, 2007 01:46 PM
Edited By: VincentHill on 15 Apr 2007 14:47
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I would think having the forks seperated from the bike and the fork went flying at a very fast speed the forks would kick back around rather than putting fowared thrust on the tube bending them forward.
You are now Taking the words from Shane "The Forks went Flying off at a Very Fast Speed"!
Look in Picture #1. The rest of the bike landed on the ground, the Pipes and plastic pieces would slow a lot faster than the "WHEEL" that is still rotating in front. If the Front hit ANYTHING while on the Bike, Every Accident I have ever seen the Fork tubes Bend at the Bottom Tripple Clamp. Either Forward, Backward or Broken off they ALL Break at the lower Tripple clamp. If the Front runs into anything the Front WHEEL Always Hits the object First. The WHeels war lighter and not as stong as the Fork tunbe and they always bend the rim or Break the Rim! None of that Happened either
Something with a Square edge like a Frame under a truck or a steel Front Bumper (Just about the right height for where the Tube is bent) would have hit it and sent the Front in another direction.
I did not ask where the Rear of the bike ended up, but from the looks of the dents in the pipes, it copuld have been a curb or the Edge of a Drive way Note the Top clamp is NOT Bent, Even the Gauges are not broken!
Thanks Ship, There are a few people here that really understand and even if just a few find a Missing Motor Mount bolt or see a Stress Crack, this was 1000% worth it! I am going to take a serious look at my frame because I have NEVER even considered that it could break  :
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posted April 15, 2007 01:49 PM
What is the real point of bashing or even talking about the 14 when you don't own one?
Why are you hatin' on the 14 so much since the 12 didn't get the job done like the 14 is doing? I mean your 12 "IS" a Kawasaki. You act as if it is Suzuki versus Kaw or something!
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posted April 15, 2007 01:55 PM
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You know what the funny thing about all this is? All Vincent Hill did was post up what he thought would be valuable information for you 14 guys and all many of you do is SLAM HIM for it! So he doesn't really like the 14? So what? I think its an ugly, heavy, over-rated bike that can't shake a 12 on top end! So what?!?!
The point is he presented the information as best as he could given what he was told, what he knows, his past experiences, etc. Get a grip, jeez people. Don't think it went down like that? Cool, you are entitled to your opinion!
But the FACT OF THE MATTER IS NONE OF US WERE THERE TO SEE HOW IT REALLY WENT DOWN! Why shoot the messenger?
End rant.
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I liked the controvesial pics and remarks from everyone & Vincenthill good thread.
Who bad mouthing who here? Must be a 12 rider.
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shane661
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posted April 15, 2007 01:55 PM
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posted April 15, 2007 02:01 PM
Edited By: shiphteey on 15 Apr 2007 15:05
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What is the real point of bashing or even talking about the 14 when you don't own one?
Why are you hatin' on the 14 so much since the 12 didn't get the job done like the 14 is doing? I mean your 12 "IS" a Kawasaki. You act as if it is Suzuki versus Kaw or something!
Dude are you on DRUGS? Did you not see your fellow zx14 rider, smokin call Vincent Hill a MORON?
Exactly WHO'S hating? My personal opinion of the 14 isn't even the point! The point is a guy saw something that could be quite dangerous and many of the 14 riders got all bent outta shape (pardon the pun)....WTF for?
He isn't saying the zx14 is inferior or this or that! He's showing what he believes to be a possible defect! How about taking a logic class buddy.
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